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The big story occupying space in my mind (and on this blog) is the #TwitterMigration. As Twitter grows troubled and troubling, “Fediverse” technologies in general and Mastodon in particular are successfully attracting many users and providing a pleasant experience. Everyone is wondering out loud whether Mastodon can take the strain and whether it can provide cool new features. What we haven’t been discussing are two ethical questions: First, is it OK to bail out of Twitter? And if bailing out, is Mastodon a acceptable place to land? Bye, Twitter (OK?) · I confess that this discussion caught me by surprise but I’m glad it did, it’s eye-opening. The voices are those of Black and disabled people (mostly the former) arguing that Twitter has fueled an important flowering of their culture (the hashtag is #BlackTwitter) and become important as a refuge, a meeting place, and a source of power. I’m as white as can be, so probably not your best source on the subject, but I felt educated by Shamira Ibrahim’s Can Black Twitter Ever Really Die? ¶

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[–] SrEstegosaurio@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Twitter should be obliterated from existence, as all comercial social media should be. It might once have played an important rol on bringing together communities of opressed people, but beliving that it's a tool for emancipation is deceving yourself, at best.

It's not the first text I read that says something along those lines and that makes me sad. Don't forget that things like Twitter promote hate speach in the name of money. (Or instagram knowing how harmfull it is for teenagers and not giving a crap...)

One must be pretty naïve to belive things like that, use decentralised plataforms owned and operated by the people.

[–] serenity@jeremmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I also like to see Twitter go down and dissappear. The criticism about Mastodon by Black people has indeed been seen before, and I do not understand it. They find the quote reply very important, but some journalists also wrote that they think they cannot do without it. In reply to that I saw this web link on Mastodon : https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/20673 (a long read) which shows that Mastodon no longer does not want to have the same feature as on Twitter but is looking at a more safe alternative.

[–] lionel@lemmy.coupou.fr 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't get how there can be an ethical question here either.

The only ethical question should be to the detriment of twitter or about specific instances with questionable rules but not about the whole mastodon platform, let alone the fediverse.

[–] v8bmx3@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

It goes to show that many people don't understand what Mastodon, and by extension, the Fediverse is. They don't understand about Instances. I remember reading an article some time ago that said people in certain parts of the world thought Facebook was the internet. I think this is similar.

[–] vekku@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'm a proponent of free markets, but I also think that social media should not be provided by them. Destroying Twitter and Reddit alone won't be enough, since Facebook or new companies etc. will replace the void left by them. Even Mastodon is a bit of a risk, since there's essentially nothing that protects from a single large entity pooling up resources, using marketing tactics etc., taking a majority of the network and then doing the good old embrace and extinguish move.

This needs global legislature to be fixed, and unfortunately the world does not seem to be moving towards a direction where that sort of thing could be achieved. EU is the best actor in this space currently, and that's not a high hurdle. And EU is probably not taking over the world.

[–] frankcat@mstdn.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@vekku @SrEstegosaurio A free market exists only as a concept in the mind - in the real world they are shackled and regulated to prevent the worst excesses of greed and inhumanity. “Free Markets” have NO business providing aged care, child care or any other sort of care or basic utilities. They also should not be providing news and information where that information is manipulated by an algorithm more interested in profit than the truth. #invisiblehand #freemarket #adamsmith