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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 57 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

To all the burn it down and rebuild leftists (by protesting and not voting for the lesser of 2 evils) tell me how well that went for the Communists in Germany and Italy the last time mask off fascism rose to power there....

Edit: Not one of these "Self-righteous leftists" have addressed my question about what happened to leftists in Germany or Italy when fascist took power there. Its almost like they dont give a shit about the Prolitariat and would rather engage in purity politics rather than support the working class or marginalized communities. Absolutely pathetic astroturfing, or simply a complete disregard for the Materical Conditions on the ground in America.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Vote for the system least likely to break you and you allies while you work to dismantle it.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not voting for the lesser of two evils is the most childish shit. People like to bring up that Geralt quote, as if the situation in that story wasn't made a hell of a lot worse by his decision not to choose.

If you're not gonna vote blue all the way down, then you need to put your money where your mouth is and start burning it down so you can rebuild it. Otherwise you aren't protesting, you're just being lazy.

[–] maniclucky@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks at the 2016 US election...

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I legitimately regret not voting for Hilary....

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

I get exactly how you feel. "Fuck the establishment, this'll be the year that a third party wins!" To be young and optimistic again...

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

The amount of people I knew who were like, "There's no way Hillary could lose so I don't need to vote," or, "Bernie got fucked so I'm not voting out of spite," were too damn high

The "best" part was seeing how low the voter turnout was in our district that typically leans blue, well in 2016 the turnout was hella low and it went hella red for the first time in a long time

Looking at raw numbers the red was pretty consistent from election to election but that year so many people who would vote blue didn't vote that it swung the election

Felt bad but now those people I know haven't missed a single election

[–] lolrightythen@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meh, I still kinda regret having voted for her

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

“I wish the Democratic Party would put forth a candidate worth voting for!”

[–] joemo@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So in your mind what Trump did was better?

If you want to teach the Democrats a lesson, do it earlier. The presidential election isn't the time nor place to play games - as we saw with Trump setting the country back years.

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Sometimes that’s the best time to learn is when the country is at stake.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

So that's what this is about.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

is it already Presidential election in he US? when did the primaries end? man I feel out of touch

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Election day is tomorrow, alot of state representatives and senators are on the ballot

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think that Germany or Italy wouldn't have gone fascist if the leftists just voted harder?

The historian in me eagerly awaits your reply

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/piano_drop.jpg

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not saying that voting harder back then would have changed anything, but drawing a parallel between then and America today where mask of Fascism is very much on the ballot tomorrow and a year from now in the presidential election. Not voting to protect one's ideological purity is the height of privilege.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

Okay but voting didn't prevent fascism in those countries. Fascism didn't happen because some communists and anarchists refused to vote, it happened because of class war on the part of the petite bourgeoisie and precarious haut bourgeoisie