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This article says that a higher percentage of Muslims voted for Trump in 2020 than did in 2016. Is it really far fetched to think that percentage could continue to rise?
And their stupidity had nothing to do with being Muslim. I can assure you that stupidity runs deep through much of the Human species.
Okay, so then why wasn't there an even distribution of this stupidity?
Even with respect to what?
Demographics across the spectrum of humanity.
Trump didn't see a general increase of votership across the board, or he would have won, right? So it seems silly to hand wave it away as just "humans being stupid".
That presupposes they are independent factors. The more likely case rather, is that certain demographics attract stupid people. Trump famously said, "I love the poorly educated!" When a choice is involved, such as trump/Biden or dem/rep, we don't need to see an even distribution of the population within those choices. With religion, often the smarter you are the better chance of you self selecting out of religion.
So you're saying that their being stupid is more likely to cause them to be Muslim?
That's the wrong order. Out of people born into Muslim or religious households, there is likely an even distribution of intelligent to stupid. Then the smart people self select out of religion leaving a disproportionate amount of stupid people in religions. So lack of intelligence doesn't cause religion. Having intelligence can be a cause for people to leave religion.
So you're saying their being Muslim does have to do with their being stupid -- or at least their continuing to be Muslim does.
That's called correlation.
But see, if it was about religion generally, wouldn't we expect to see a similar trend across all religious people?
We do see that trend across all religions. Unless you wanted to count some of the "anti-religions" like Pastafarianism or The Church of Satan.
No we didn't. Trump saw a minor drop in support from Catholics and White Evangelicals in 2020 compared to 2016 -- that's part of what lost him the election.
theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/06/white-evangelical-christians-supported-trump
I was still referring to the stupid v religious correlation. There can be other factors causing the religious vote to sway.
So then it sounds like we agree -- the reason for seeing an increase in Muslims voting for Trump is more nuanced than just a general rise in stupidity across humanity.
If that was your original contention, then yes. Almost everything is more nuanced than what is reported in the media. But nuance doesn't drive clicks.
Yes, and it was directed at the comment I replied to. So not entirely sure why you jumped in with what you did, if you were in agreement.
"Evil or Stupid? I'm not sure which is more dangerous. "
"Stupid! Evil only gets uppity every once in a while. Stupid is with you 24/7."
Not sure how that's relevant, but okay.
It's because people see Trump as a chance to make America a theocracy... and well, both Christians and Muslims have traditionally been keen on theocracies for some reason.
Maybe. I don't think Muslims are keen for a Christian theocracy especially a white Christian ethno-theocracy
My opinion is people wishing for theocracies are merely using religion as an excuse for control. Kind-hearted religious people adapt their religious views. Mean-spirited ones hide behind their religion as an excuse to do bad things.
I think there's more here at play than theocracy. I don't know why more Muslims supported Trump the second time around but something is causing them to support someone who has a track record of being hostile to them.