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We are our memories.
We are the decisions we make. Each person is the sum of how they react to stimulus.
And we make those decisions based on our life experiences, also known as memories.
We have enough examples of (mass) murderes who did not have horrible lives and so many people have horrible lives and don't kill others.
It's illogical to draw the conclusion it's a bad life that turns people into murderes.
A better course of action would be higher intervention at the point were someone decides: "others should suffer for my problems".
I'm something of a news junkie and I haven't heard of them. Maybe there's a one-off here or there, but the majority of them would not have what you described.
Well yes, of course. Mental illness is a spectrum, it's a bell curve, it's not an on and off switch, when it comes to murder.
I disagree with this, strongly.
Honestly that sounds like an opinion of someone who believes illogically in that we're always "captains of our ship" and we're always perfect mentally, and that we always can make decisions free of illness.
Humanity is just not like that, we have emotions and can have mental illness, and sometimes they drive us to do things that we regret later on or uncontrolling of during.
Mental illness can affect our perception of things to the point where we do things that seem logical to us but that society would think is completely illogical, like murder.
I think you have trouble differentiating between causes and fault or responsibility. English is not my native language, so perhaps I get the inuendo wrong. But claiming "Cruz' crime was 100 % society's fault" absolves the murderer of all his responsibility.
Society is not responsible for the decisions you make, it's your decision alone. You don't get to blame others for your decisions to hurt and murder people.
Very dismissal of you to think that of me.
For the record, I don't.
Nobody ever said 100%.
We affect each other more than we realise and/or want to admit. Humans are social creatures.
And again, not talking in absolutes.
Perhaps take a look at the post again.
I went up several levels and reviewed everything I said, and didn't see where I ever said 100%.
You want to point it out to me?
The topic of the post, like what this thread is about??
Oh FFS. I was talking about our and other people's conversation here on Lemmy about the article, and not the article itself that you linked.
Did society make you ignore the context of my original post?
That was the original comment by you that I replied to. The tone of that paragraph was suggesting you were speaking about me specifically.
As English is not your first language, I would suggest next time separating that paragraph into two paragraphs, or adding to the end of that paragraph something along the lines of "as the original article states".
I would suggest you understand comment hierarchy on Lemmy. You responded to my comment, which was in the tree of a direct response to the topic. Not to you or any other comment.
You can see that by the fact that there's no line next to my post when you look at top layer of hierarchy:
I notice you keep trying to "Kill the Messenger" by challenging my understanding and intelligence level.
I've made plenty of posts throughout the decades to understand how it works. Also, English is my primary language.
I stand by my comments to you about how you worded your comment that I replied to.
Finally, a reminder of what I said, since the screen pic that you posted is not referring to the comment that I was replying to, and speaking about...
"Killing the messenger" apparently means to "attack the bringer of bad news". That doesn't seem to be a good fit for the situation at all. I suggest you read the definition again. I suppose what you meant to say is an "ad hominem attack".
Well, I am certainly sorry when it came off as an insult to you. But it's quite the stretch to assume I wanted to challenge your intelligence by simply trying to understand what could be the underlying cause for you to write something that seemed simply untrue to me.