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[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's the real American tragedy, that we've been beaten into believing that "nothing can be done to prevent this." Something COULD be done, it just won't be. I'm sure as we learn more about this reprehensible idiot who caused this sick misery, we'll come to find out there were all kinds of red flags on his social media posts and his emails and his past arrest records and yet nobody bothered to take them seriously, or cared enough about him to connect him with psychotherapy and medication. Sad. Because the truth is, this kind of thing is always ENTIRELY preventable - if only Americans were smarter about gun control and less obsessed with violence as some sort of solution (which it never is). A sad country indeed.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

He was committed to a mental health facility for two weeks in the summer of 2023. He's talked about hearing voices. He's threatened to shoot up a National Guard station. He and his associates are well-known local right-wing militia gun nuts that "people knew to stay away from." None of that was sufficient to restrict his access to firearms.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If this is true, then I think it's safe to say that these shootings aren't being taken seriously by our government on purpose. I don't know what the purpose is, but it sure feels like it.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses.

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The best thing about Rage songs is that they're still relevant after 30 years.

The worst thing about Rage songs is that they're still relevant after 30 years.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Criminals On Patrol

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Criminals On Patrol

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The GOP benefits from these attacks in my view, especially when they're in power. It makes it impossible for the news to cover the reprehensible things they do when mass murders happen every week.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If you’re terrified of being shot you won’t mind having armed police everywhere.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But that's why I'm terrified of being shot

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

The only way to assuage your fear of being shot is to arm more people.

[–] penquin@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Ok, so I'm not crazy.

[–] admiralteal@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't even really care about guns. I don't like them and wish there were far fewer of them, but if reducing the number and availability of guns is off the table, there's still plenty of room to work -- and if this political conversation had even one shred of honesty, we'd be working even with that constraint.

Even in gun policy, there's so much reform we could make to reduce danger that doesn't impact someone's ability to own a gun. For example, universal registration, repeal the Dickey amendment and fund research, impose strict liability to gun owners for crimes committed with their guns.

And most people seem to support red flag laws and universal background checks, but for some reason we can't expand those either?

Not to mention that it is a simple matter of fact that the US can and does ban all kinds of arms. And, aside from a tiny lunatic fringe, no one really thinks it is an issue. You can't just have and bring with you a fighter jet, a tank. You can't open carry explosive ordinance. You can't go to a gun show and buy chemical WMDs or bio-weapons. You can't drive around with a full machine gun mounted to the flatbed of your 3-ton pickup. We have rules that are uncontentious, and the idea that maybe some types of modern guns should be in the same category is fiddling with a line in the sand.

And guns are only a small part of the picture. We need poverty intervention and social welfare. We need consent-based policing and the better training that comes with it. We need to fix our urban design so people have better third places and are less isolated from one another. Yet if you try to do anything like this, the same people that fetishize guns will absolutely refuse to even think about it and will indeed try to roll back what does exist to make the problems worse.

At the end, it's a very two-sided debate. One side wants to test and try changes to make things maybe even just a bit better. The other refuses to do anything and would like for it to even be a bit worse.

[–] davysnavy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

"if only Americans were smarter" we can just leave it at that. This fucking country is full of idiots who will never do any good in this world because they're too stupid to even know where to start