this post was submitted on 27 Nov 2022
16 points (100.0% liked)
Europe
3898 readers
7 users here now
Europa
founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
That is a deeply ignorant statement. Energy is required for literally every aspect of modern life. It's needed for transportation, heating, manufacturing, agriculture, and every other aspect of a modern economy. Being cut off from cheap energy creates a situation where costs of doing any of those things become prohibitive.
It's also hilarious that you think things like manufacturing are outdated. I guess people don't need houses to live in anymore or things like rail infrastructure to get around.
I guess going back to medieval times is the anarchist dream. Wonder how many people in Europe share it.
Yet somehow all these things are still being done in Europe right now, with ships full of energy sitting just outside of the harbours because gas storage is full and the price is too low to sell it profitably.
Most of these things don't need "lots of cheap" energy anyways, they do perfectly fine with regularly priced energy which is sufficiently available for those things that are really needed and not just driving excessive profits for a few major capitalists.
But true enough, without lots of cheap energy, suppressing labour costs and manipulating your currency downwards, you can't massively out-compete everyone else, which is what Germany is famous for and which only one country has recently surpassed them in, namely China.
You do realize how ridiculous your entire argument sounds coming from someone claiming to be a communist?
These ships full of energy are sitting there because there aren't enough terminals to unload them. Meanwhile, the gas storage that's full is meant to supplement pipeline flow as opposed to replace it. Once again, I have to wonder whether you don't know these things, being the Europe expert that you are, or you're just intentionally misrepresenting things to fit your narrative.
[citation needed]
An interesting non sequitur to use there. I was discussing energy costs while you casually threw in labour suppression. I never expect any intellectual honesty from you, but wow.
I do realize that the straw man you're fighting is indeed ridiculous, it has little to do with the actual argument I'm making. Maybe try engaging the actual argument being made instead of clowning around and throwing cheap insults.