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Defederation from instances suspected of becoming bots haven (beehaw.org)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Lionir@beehaw.org to c/support@beehaw.org

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We've defederated from :

lemmy.k6qw.com,lemmy.podycust.co.uk,waveform.social,bbs.darkwitch.net,cubing.social,lemmy.roombob.cat,lemmy.jtmn.dev,lemmy.juggler.jp,bolha.social,sffa.community,dot.surf,granitestate.social,veenk.help,lemmyunchained.net,wumbo.buzz,lemmy.sbs,lemmy.shwizard.chat,clatter.eu,mtgzone.com,oceanbreeze.earth,mindshare.space,lemmy.tedomum.net,voltage.vn,lemmy.fyi,demotheque.com,thediscussion.site,latte.isnot.coffee,news.deghg.org,lemmy.primboard.de,baomi.tv,marginalcuriosity.net,lemmy.cloudsecurityofficehours.com,lemmy.game-files.net,lemmy.fedi.bub.org,lemmy.blue,lemmy.easfrq.live,narod.city,lemmy.ninja,lemmy.reckless.dev,nlemmy.nl,lemmy.mb-server.com,rammy.site,fedit.io,diggit.xyz,slatepacks.com,theotter.social,lemmy.nexus,kleptonix.com,rabbitea.rs,zapad.nstr.no,feddi.no

based on the list of instances made by @sunaurus@lemm.ee here - Thank you again for that work, it's highly appreciated.

This is a preventive measure against massive amounts of accounts being created for botting purposes. Most instances banned appear to be 1 user instances so we don't think this will have a great effect on anyone's usage of Beehaw. If you are an admin of one of those instances, feel free to contact us at support@beehaw.org

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[–] Nicktar@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Currently it isn't and I don't think, that this would be the best idea ever since it could be misused as some kind of index to find bad instances. The defederated-list is available to the public and thus the defederating instance could in fact be "advertizing" the instances they defederated from ("Look, we don't want this stuff here, but these instances are for [right-wing|transphobes|bots|spammers|porn]")...

Depending on where the instance is hosted or where the admin lives, it might even be illegal to in fact point people to places where they can find certain things.

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my experience, it helps people new to the fediverse (specially if they want to start their own server) to know who to block/limit. People who actually want to be in those kind of massively defederated instance know how to join them and even have their own list of instances to join, without looking at the list from a small queer instance or even sites like JoinFediverse and the like.

[–] Nicktar@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are a few different things I'd like to mention:

I don't think, that there is such a thing as a massively defederated instance exists right now. The most blocked instance is blocked by about 11% of the instances, followed by two instances at 6%
Even if the die hard scene users would know their instances, not every random troll or spammer would.
This doesn't address the possible legal issues of publicly announcing where someone could find illegal content
If "small queer instance" refers to beehaw... That's the second largest instance there is as of today according to https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances

And lastly: If you're new to the fediverse you maybe shouldn't run your own instance in first place. Helping reckless people pull reckless stunts is a bad reason to promote a feature.

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you looking at all the instances on the fediverse, or only lemmy?
Trolls and Spammers would have nothing to do in those kinds of servers.
I mean, all other platforms have the option of mentioning the reason for defederation and there hasn't been any legal problem with it nor with fediblock. As I already say, there are few the instances of these type that use the same software/fork than the rest. They have their own forks and this forks have federation cut from other ActivityPub/Zot/Diaspora*/OStatus based software.
No, I'm talking about the fediverse in general, not only Lemmy, not only Beehaw. Most of the servers I'm in in other federated platforms are small to mid queer servers that have the list of defederated instances with reason for defederation.
This list are also public and downloadable, so anyone can import them to their server.

[–] Nicktar@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since this was a question about a lemmy feature, I'm talking lemmy here, arguing about fediverse, TCP/IP or electricity numbers/servers/plants doesn't seem usefull in this context. Providing a link to a server that to your knowledge (you provided the reason) hosts illegal content can be seen as participating in this crime or at least advertizing. (Disclaimer: I'm no lawyer, I just remember whole BBS being seized for providing lists of (international) phone numbers to BBS that hosted warez and there's stuff that's worse than warez).

[–] retronautickz@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago

My question was precisely about Lemmy because Lemmy is one of the few platforms that doesn't have that option. It's common almost everywhere else and hasn't caused any problem.