You mean the same China that's currently the only major nation with an actual plan to transition off fossil fuels that's being implemented at scale as we speak?

China's also doing most of reforestation in the world

Meanwhile US/EU overwhelmingly responsible for emissions despite outsourcing a bunch of their production to countries like China.

[–] Kulun@mander.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Meanwhile US/EU overwhelmingly responsible for emissions despite outsourcing a bunch of their production to countries like China.

Top 10 Countries with the Highest CO₂ Emissions in the World (Unit: million tons CO₂) - 2020 EDGAR:*

China - 11,680.42
United States - 4,535.30
India - 2,411.73
Russia - 1,674.23
Japan - 1,061.77
Iran - 690.24
Germany - 636.88
South Korea - 621.47
Saudi Arabia - 588.81
Indonesia - 568.27

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Oooh what a gotcha! Now compare populations.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Compare per capita, also adjust it with trade (i mean for whom exactly the production and therefore emissions happens) and finally look at the historical emissions.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

What are historical emissions supposed to tell you about economic systems? Also, the per capita emissions for China aren't exactly stellar at around 8 tons/person/year. Yes, I know there are trade adjustments to do to better represent Chinese consumption.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What are historical emissions supposed to tell you about economic systems?

It shows who exactly is more responsible for the climate change overall, since the planet is not resetting itself every year.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But does that not tell you more about where China was economically in the past than anything to do with connections between its economic system and its emissions? After all, there are plenty of countries with similar per capita histories that are fully capitalist.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It tells me how much pollution particular states released in the past. We of course could divide this by the time/capita etc, and it would still not look bad for China, considering for how short they are industrialised country, but the point of historical emission is just simple showing who polluted more overall.

[–] Kulun@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Sure, see above.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

learn what per capita means so you stop embarrassing yourself

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

I've found this point amazingly hard to beat into people's noggins. Some will even say that per capita doesn't matter, and give some bullshit reason. The lack of logical thinking astounds me.

[–] Kulun@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Meanwhile US/EU overwhelmingly responsible for emissions despite outsourcing a bunch of their production to countries like China.

learn what per capita means so you stop embarrassing yourself

Surprise, surprise:

Top 10 Countries with the Highest CO₂ Emissions Per Capita (Unit: million tons CO₂) - 2020 EDGAR:

Palau - 55.29
Qatar - 35.64
New Caledonia - 25.52
Trinidad & Tobago - 21.97
Bahrain - 21.60
Kuwait - 20.91
United Arab Emirates - 20.70
Brunei - 17.95
Saudi Arabia - 16.96
Oman - 16.90

You are welcome.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago

I like to source my claims instead of pulling them out of my ass, you're welcome:

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/