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[–] bappity@lemmy.world 163 points 11 months ago (18 children)

if this is true I might actually stop being lazy and mess with Linux for my personal systems

[–] ebits21@lemmy.ca 109 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Please do.

One of us, one of us!

[–] mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

There is no "us" or "them". If Microsoft will maintain its streak of spoiling everything they touch, everyone will switch to Linux sooner or later 😉

[–] joojmachine@lemmy.ml 42 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Now, for an actual sane take, unless we do the actual marketing work in order to gather interest from people, no, not even close to everyone will switch to Linux, specially considering Microsoft has literal millions of dollars to spend in marketing and will likely spin this in a way that non-techy people specially will buy in due to not knowing any choice.

This is a PSA begging people to contribute to their favorite distros not (only) with code but with marketing. Social media posts, videos, word of mouth recommendations, advocacy, events, etc. If your distro doesn't have a marketing team, create one, as most projects should already have done two decades ago. If your distro has one (like we do in Fedora), join it. There'll likely be something you can help with.

[–] mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Okay, you've got a point 😅

[–] averagedrunk@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Arch doesn't need a marketing department. If someone uses Arch they'll tell you.

[–] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

That's true. We're just getting the window managers and drivers ready for everyone who will follow us.

[–] rwhitisissle@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is extreme copium, sorry to say. You have no idea how much shit the average person will eat to prevent having to learn something new. For someone who has never manually installed an OS before, even Windows, the idea of doing that with something like Linux and potentially deleting their existing OS is genuinely frightening. Never underestimate the fact that people will pay through the nose to ensure they don't have to contend with the unknown.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 38 points 11 months ago (3 children)

https://www.windowslatest.com/2023/10/16/no-windows-12-is-a-free-upgrade-and-wont-require-a-subscription/

As it turns out, the rumours discussed by some outlets are based on the “IoT Enterprise Subscription” of Windows 11, not Windows vNext. For those unaware, Windows 24H2 or Windows vNext is what Windows 12 is being called publicly. As you can see in the above screenshots, the “subscription” code strings found in the preview builds are associated with a new Enterprise version of Windows 11 loT and have nothing to do with Windows 12 or future versions of the OS.

I’m not saying to use it or to not switch to linux, but maybe this isn’t that much of a concern.

I’d be more concerned about

the next version of Windows will be heavily integrated with AI and cloud capabilities.

[–] hactar42@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Windows accounts for 12% of their profits, and I'm willing to bet that the consumer versions are a very small part of that. Most businesses are not buying OEM licenses. They are already using a subscription model for M365 which includes Windows licenses or a standard EA or SA agreement.

They learned after the Windows Phone that they don't need to win the client OS battle as long as they can get their other products on the devices. Since then Windows has really focused more on keeping you locked into the Microsoft ecosystem versus keeping locked into Windows itself. Hence why the upgrades have all been free where in the past you would have to repurchase each new edition of Windows.

Of course I could be completely wrong. They have done some bonkers stuff in the past.

[–] whofearsthenight@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Agreed. Also why they're more and more fucking annoying about OneDrive and O365 subs. I would be extremely surprised at seeing anyone at MS thinking the best way to monetize Windows is to get consumers, who are notoriously more and more tired of subs in general, is to get them to pay a sub fee on the computer they bought. Let's face it, virtually no one is buying a Windows license, it comes with the machine they buy. If you told people that they have to now pay a fee every month/year to keep using it.

[–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 11 months ago

Good ol click bait titles.

[–] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't use it sense 11, but aren't more recent versions of 11 already having Machine Learning "AI" Built in?

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[–] unconsciousvoidling@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I haven’t found it that difficult. Just take the plunge.

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not concerned with difficulty just that it'll take a bit of my time

yes I'm lazy

[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de 12 points 11 months ago

It's very gradual and fun because it's new. A lot of you being lazy is also just your safety mechanism kicking in so you don't dive into every single urge all the time.

Once you dip your toe, you'll be at it for a long and good time.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm an early adopter of Linux (early as in 96-97) but I also run MacOS and Windows so I'm I tell you this from an unbiased point of view. Linux has never been easier to run. My daily driver is a ThinkPad running Pop!_OS Linux and I never have to think about it. I just installed and everything ran.

I don't game on my daily driver, I use MacOS for music. At this point Windows is relegated to Adobe Creative Suite, GeForce Now, and the occasional game I can't run on Linux or GeForce Now.

[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de 13 points 11 months ago

Truly ungovernable, mad respect.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago

No doubt. LibreOffice is way better than the windows office sweet now. Seriously zippy fast and easy to use. And less stuff breaks.

[–] dynamo@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's easy if you know how to manage your anger

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

oh I'm experienced with anger I assure you. I work with CSS and PHP in my job

[–] dynamo@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

you'll do fine then

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 9 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Or not. Swearing at the screen and punching the keyboard always feel cathartic after failling to do something for the nth time.

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[–] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just start by dual booting one of the "easy" distros and doing stuff that doesn't require Windows. Eventually you'll start spending more and more time on it out of comfort, then one day you may realise that you haven't needed your Windows partition in months, and can skip out on it entirely.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 11 months ago

Another alternative is to use FOSS software this is available on Linux and Windows. Get used to the software before the desktop itself. For me, dual booting was a lot of work and wasn't fun. Maybe live booting for a session or two could be a way to go? I never tried that.

[–] bemenaker@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

News flash, it's not

[–] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I made the switch about a two months ago. I'm using my windows side of my dual boot a hell of a lot less than I thought I would, mostly thanks to steam's proton.

Started with zorin, but eventually landed on mint.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’m trying to narrow down today’s distro choices, would you mind telling why you switched away from Zorin?

[–] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The file explorer has some pretty limited options, and not many features. Or at least, it doesn't have some of the features I like by default.

It does have zorin connect, which is really nice, but I later found it it is a re-skinned version of KDE connect, so not much is lost by moving to another distro on that front.

It also seemed to not have as good windows support for certain things. BG3 kept on crashing on me for some unknown reason, with zero error messages to troubleshoot. On mint it worked first try, like it ought to.

At the end of the day, zorin just isn't as customizable as I want, whereas mint is.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thank you! All the advertised built-in compatibility layers seemed too promising, so I’ve been wondering how often it breaks or doesn’t work as well as another distro. Also good to know the connect stuff can be added just by installing KDE. And Dolphin probably a better file manager.

What’s your preferred file manager, if you don’t mind?

[–] PizzaMan@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Yeah, I was a bit disappointed with the compatability as well. But luckily it hasn't effected me too much on mint. So far only two programs I use haven't been compatible, and even then they aren't programs I use often.

What’s your preferred file manager, if you don’t mind?

Nemo, which is the default for mint.

Also another reason I switched to mint now that i remember, I wanted to switch to a non-Ubuntu system. The whole point of switching to Linux is to get away from all the corpos getting their hands on your system/data. Unfortunately I only learned how shitty canonical is about it after I unstalled zorin.

So I currently have mint debian edition installed.

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[–] Sneptaur@pawb.social 4 points 11 months ago

linuxjourney.com is a good resource

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

I’ve already been playing with Nobara and Linux Mint.

I personally reccomend Zorin OS. The default GUI has the windows layout, so you won't be too confused. Also it is very pretty.

[–] Exusia@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Hard agree. I got a friend trying to get me on linux, and I've just been on windows since my first pc.

But fuck it. I'll maintain 10 until eol and then whatever Linux supports will be the games I play on steam.

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