Oh? Am I going to get yet another link to Manufacturing Consent, work of infallible leftist god Noam Chomsky? Oh wait, there are literally thousands of articles bemoaning the school to prison pipeline, 90's crime bill, three strikes laws, systemic racism, and hunger where there should be abundance. These are widely discussed in US politics.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Okay, then how are you explaining the shopkeeper making a zipped lips motion? That doesn’t seem so subjective.

Again, that's an anecdote reported by a person with a particular agenda. You can go on youtube and find tons of videos of people living in Xinjiang, including westerners, and they go around and interact with people. Here's an example.

China has leaned on other governments to return asylum seeking Uyghurs. The article I linked to mentions several cases.

You mean US and Saudi trained terrorists?

Oh? Am I going to get yet another link to Manufacturing Consent, work of infallible leftist god Noam Chomsky? Oh wait, there are literally thousands of articles bemoaning the school to prison pipeline, 90’s crime bill, three strikes laws, systemic racism, and hunger where there should be abundance. These are widely discussed in US politics.

Weird how none of that talking actually translates into any actual action. It's as if these kinds of articles are designed for the specific purpose of having a veneer of discussion so that people like you can point to them and claim there's freedom of speech.

Free speech is a completely meaningless term unless that speech can be translated into action. Whenever there is a threat of actual action then you end up like MLK and Fred Hampton. Chapter 10 in this book documents lots of examples of political repression in US using intimidation and violence.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You mean US and Saudi trained terrorists?

No, I mean people fleeing China and seeking asylum.

Here’s an example.

Good thing that guy doesn't have any bias or anything. Not like he didn't just wander right by the SWAT guy "having a nice chat". Nothing could possibly be intimidating about a police officer in a SWAT jacket dropping by your store. No siree.

Weird how none of that talking actually translates into any actual action.

There's action on criminal justice reform. It mostly is on the state level at the moment.

Chapter 10 in this book documents lots of examples of political repression in US using intimidation and violence.

Yup, the US doesn't have a pure history or present. But it doesn't approach China's open and systematic repression of dissent, and you're well into whataboutism territory at this point.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, I mean people fleeing China and seeking asylum.

Right, the terrorists that US and Saudis have been funding to do terrorist attacks in China. These are your friends seeking asylum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Juma_Tayir

Good thing that guy doesn’t have any bias or anything. Not like he didn’t just wander right by the SWAT guy “having a nice chat”. Nothing could possibly be intimidating about a police officer in a SWAT jacket dropping by your store. No siree.

Did you as an American just criticize China for having police that's too militarized? Amazing levels of cognitive dissonance here. 😂

Yup, the US doesn’t have a pure history or present. But it doesn’t approach China’s open and systematic repression of dissent, and you’re well into whataboutism territory at this point.

The reason you think that is because your propagandist tell this. You have zero actual knowledge of China. It's a country you've never been to, you don't know people living there, only things you know about this country about this country come the media you consume. The same media that constantly lies about everything.

And don't deflect with your whataboutism bullshit from the fact that you ignore the same kind of crimes happening in your own country that you accuse China off. These are far better documented and have far more evidence for them than the straws you're grasping at. If you actually cared about these things then you'd be denouncing your own country. Instead, you're just looking for ways to justify your chauvinism.

In objective terms your country is responsible for far worse systemic repression than anything observed in China. The enormous prison population alone is a clear example of that. US imprisons far more people per capita than China does. And if we include all the horrors your nightmarish empire is responsible for around the world then you have no leg to stand on accusing any other country.

People in China see their lives improve each and every decade, while people in US are having their lives destroyed by the oligarchs. If you cared about actual tangible freedoms, then you'd care about freedom to have housing, healthcare, education, and jobs. Freedom to live a life free from want.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

These are your friends seeking asylum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Juma_Tayir

Please do explain to me how those 200 people in Thailand have anything to do with Juma Tayir. Or is collective punishment in vogue again?

Did you as an American just criticize China for having police that’s too militarized? Amazing levels of cognitive dissonance here. 😂

I've criticized the American police as being too militarized and unaccountable. Doesn't mean that I can't criticize China for using its police to intimidate its people.

If you actually cared about these things then you’d be denouncing your own country.

I criticize my country. I want it to improve. I've never, ever seen you criticize China. Not once.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Please do explain to me how those 200 people in Thailand have anything to do with Juma Tayir. Or is collective punishment in vogue again?

I assume you're being intentionally obtuse. I provided an example of the kinds of people we're talking about here. You can read the book by an ex CIA asset that I linked in this thread earlier that details how CIA has been training these extremists with the intent of destabilizing China. Incidentally, this is exactly the same playbook US used with mujahideen in Afghanistan. You guys aren't very creative.

I’ve criticized the American police as being too militarized and unaccountable. Doesn’t mean that I can’t criticize China for using its police to intimidate its people.

Difference is that we have plenty of tangible evidence for what US does.

I criticize my country. I want it to improve. I’ve never, ever seen you criticize China. Not once.

I have yet to have a single conversation with you where you actually criticize US or accept any criticism of it. What you do without fail is whitewash the crimes of your country.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I assume you’re being intentionally obtuse.

Uh... that article. The one I linked from Time where it's talking about fleeing people. One group of 200 Uyghurs was deported back to China at China's request. There's nothing I can see about them having the least bit to do with the assassination of Juma Tayir, besides a shared ethnicity.

Difference is that we have plenty of tangible evidence for what US does.

As I said, it's the consequence of an open society where we are allowed to discuss our flaws. The best disinfectant is sunlight, and in China there is no sunlight allowed.

I have yet to have a single conversation with you where you actually criticize US or accept any criticism of it.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Or perhaps I just am not always agreeing with the criticism that you want me to agree with? I'm not obligated to agree with your every complaint.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

There’s nothing I can see about them having the least bit to do with the assassination of Juma Tayir, besides a shared ethnicity.

You are being intentionally obtuse aren't you. I used the wiki link to give an example of the types of people China is concerned about. Since you claim that you have no problems acknowledging problems with your country, it's a good time for you to show that by acknowledging that US has been sponsoring terrorists in China as well as many other countries.

As I said, it’s the consequence of an open society where we are allowed to discuss our flaws. The best disinfectant is sunlight, and in China there is no sunlight allowed.

I'm trying to imagine the mental gymnastics one has to go through to call a society with one of the highest incarceration rates in the world open. Do you even listen to yourself?

Your country literally runs on slave labor, and none of you even give a shit about that. Clearly there isn't enough disinfectant in this universe for you people.

Then you haven’t been paying attention. Or perhaps I just am not always agreeing with the criticism that you want me to agree with? I’m not obligated to agree with your every complaint.

Oh I have very much been paying attention. Just in this thread alone you keep calling your despotic regime an open society. In previous threads you whitewashed US involvement in Ukraine and Afghanistan, danced around the insane nuclear posture your regime has, and tried to argue that it's not an oligarchy.

You don't acknowledge a single wrong doing your regime does and praise it as some sort of free and open society which it's demonstrably not. If you held your own country to the same standards as China you'd see that China is a far better and saner society than US could ever hope to be.

Or perhaps I just am not always agreeing with the criticism that you want me to agree with? I’m not obligated to agree with your every complaint.

Have you considered that perhaps I too disagree with the criticisms of China you want me to agree with? I’m not obligated to agree with your every complaint.