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I think this is for the best, there are some seriously disturbed people posting on Lemmygrad. I saw comments cheering on and celebrating the Hamas attack and talking about how they hoped the people who were kidnapped get tortured. Whatever your politics, that is super fucked up and not "legitimate discourse".
"People always say this exists but it's just a smear on the left wing, I've never seen it!"
I really wish the first instinct wasn't for people to play defense, but to instead call it fucked up that people would possibly say that
The reason many haven't seen it is because it doesn't happen often. Next time it happens, grab the link or take a screenshot.
Edit:
This is not playing defense, it's being skeptical.
Those people exists, sure, but if someone has gone that far left there's really no practical differences between them and the far right anymore.
Assholes will be assholes - left or right hardly even factors into it at that point. They're all just spiteful haters playing tough on the internet either way.
I wish I could say this is just crap happening on the internet. But the truth is that if affects us directly.
You're absolutely correct. My statement concerned only the wannabe keyboard warriors, not the dumb fucks murdering innocent people or all the horrors that happen in Russia/China/NK/etc, nor the influence they seem wield with impunity in large parts of the world.
You don't know what left or right mean, do you?
Leftism is against hierarchy, capitalism and the state. A far-left society would have no government, an economy where all participate voluntarily to the level they desire, no money system, no hierarchy or class system, and a generally tolerant attitude toward beliefs and attitudes.
The right wing, however, values hierarchy, tradition and rejects progress and change. A far right society would be... Well, Nazi Germany. A strong state controlling all aspects of life, prescribing specific roles for people and rejecting, exiling or just killing those that don't fit in.
There is no similarity whatsoever. Horseshoe theory is bunk invented by centrists who know nothing about politics.
My arguments were not about the politics per se, but rather the behaviour of human beings following said politics. If there were any chance for a leftish utopia as you describe it I'd be all for that. In my youth that was something I even dared to hope for.
Alas, we haven't seen anything but people taking the worst aspects of either side and using demagoguery and violence to prop themselves up so far, have we? It's not a horseshoe, it's a full circle, and in any case I've personally never heard anyone critique Faye's writings. In fact, they seem to enjoy a pretty good reputation amongst the left in general.
The problem is the same as it has always been; some people just want more, and they're willing to walk over their fellow man to get it. Until that changes, nothing else will, either.
You seem eager to lecture others, but let me ask you this: do you really think politics matter in a trench when you're getting shot at, or when your children are starving to death? When there's no clean water or electricity? Seems somewhat naive to me, those ideals of yours. The world isn't that black or white.
Learn the difference between left and right before trying to patronise me. That block of waffle was pure drivel. You didn't even go to google before that display, did you? Try it now. Try googling what the far left, then what the far right is. Then be embarrassed.
Also - the sheer absurdity of talking about political theories and "ignoring the politics". You wouldn't ignore the maths when discussing mathematical theories, would you?
What are "the worst aspects" of the left wing and the right, and how do they even remotely resemble each other? Try your best to explain that.
You're just proving that you understand so little, you don't even get the bullshit that is horseshoe theory.
Okay, and that wouldn't be possible in a leftist society. You act like these possibilities haven't been thought of. You act as if you're the first person to apply any sort of thought to this subject. You're not. You're just an arrogant dickhead.
Have fun with all that anger, it'll really serve you to get absolutely nowhere when you're older. See how long you can keep it up.
Try reading some of the other stuff Faye wrote, you two would probably even agree on some things. Try that Google thing you seem to like so much.
As for the rest, if you haven't figured out you're spouting basics but nobody is listening anymore I can't really help you. You're 30 years too late in my case, anyway. Now please stop.
What anger?
Cute attempt to distract from the fact you weren't able to respond to any of my points. Cute attempt at poisoning the well, insinuating I'm a child.
Remember that we were discussing the fact horseshoe theory is bollocks, since anarchism and fascism are diametrically opposed? Yeah, good times.
Love and kisses,
XOXOXO
Wonder how they feel about Hamas preventing the evacuation of civilians from Gaza... but I bet that question would be banned as soon as it was posted.
I hadn't heard that Hamas was blocking civilians from leaving Gaza, but they do like using their people as meat shields. Though it wouldn't make any difference if they allowed such an exodus, because both Egypt and Israel aren't letting anyone out.
They said it earlier on the news.
First there were requests for Egypt to open their borders in order to let humanitarian aid into Gaza... to which Egypt said "the fuck no, we don't want Palestinians coming into Egypt".
So next was a request for Egypt to open just a humanitarian corridor into Gaza... to which Hamas said "the fuck no, we don't want Palestinians leaving Gaza". π€¦
Last news I've heard, is that some planes are getting packed with humanitarian aid at an Egyptian airfield, to fly into Gaza and only deliver the aid... because neither Egypt nor Hamas want any of the people in there to leave (hopefully some might jump onto the planes anyway).
Hamas is supposedly also stopping anyone from heeding Israel's 24h ultimatum to leave northern Gaza, however laughable that is to evacuate over a million people on such a short notice.
Israel would likely let everyone out... as long as they went "out out", as in to some other country, not to Israel.