Should Ukaine lose, then Russia will totally attack ANTO countries. So you need to give them all your weapons because being defenseless makes it much better and wqill keep you safe!

How brain-damaged do you need to be to believe in that bullshit? Are you really that brain-washed to believe in all those helpless and weak idiots in NATO that don't know how to use their own weapons and will just lay down to die if they are not defended by all the Ukrainian geniuses that magically can operate everything much better by just taking a look at it wihtout proper training? C'mon...

Oh, and do you want to know how to actually destabilize if not outright destroy democractic countries? By having democratic leaders say "Yeah, I have sworn an oath to not harm my country. But fuck it, go die in Ukraine. We are all sending our weapons there anyway so you will not be able to defend yourself anyway. What? This is a democracy and you are against that? Again: Fuck you. I am right! And if not I don't care that you died. You might be dead but you were morally right." Hmm... I might understand how guys like you (and rediculous as it is Ukraine officials) are constantly pushing narratives against democratically elected governments.

And that's basically at the core of all your "You need to send anything, because fuck you and only someone else is important". Oh, and have you looked at polls and elections in Europe recently? I guess you also believe that this is the result of us degenerated and insane Westerners living out our inherent stupidity and totally not the result of people not wanting to hear your fucking propaganda of how demilitarizing ourselves is magically making us safer and how those mighty fairy tale heroes in Ukraine can totally use our equipment so much better while actually losing stuff because of their very limited training and capabilties.

Hmm... were have I seen this type of propaganda before where multiple contradictory things are all true att the same sime... Oh, yeah. In the Soviet Union, then in Russia and nowadays also by right-wing populists. Guess I know where that brain-damage is coming from.

Also: Yes, I know you hate reality. But you can in fact just google the Budapest Memorandum if you are interested. There is probably even something on Wikipedia nowadays telling you in easy to understadn words what's actually in there... Oh, look what I found investing valuable 5 seconds of my time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum#Content

There you have your security guarantees: All signatories are called to consult about issues. And once Russia throws nuclear bombs at Ukraine the others are even obligated to tell the UN Security Council immidiately.

[–] NAFO_69th_Sniffing_Brigade@mastodon.social 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@Ooops @Wilshire @Candelestine @bstix I stopped reading after a few words. The bucket was already full. The situation in Ukraine was created with the strong support of the western governments. They earned money with russia and never told their own citizens about the massive threat, russians are posing to the security of everyone! It is not a choice if and how much to support Ukraine. It is an obligation to do it. If Ukraine was allowed in Nato, there would be no bloodshed.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Then I will make this shorter this time:

You are lying. You lie to us and to yourself. You can look up who actually financed Russia as trade data is publically available. Spoiler (because I know you will not look up actual facts, just like you never looked up the Budapest Memorandum and stopped reading when I even gave you a link to it's content): the countries that you pretend financed Russia actually cost them money, those smart countries opposing Russia actually financed them, often even delivered weapon to them -and yes, that includes Ukraine up until 2020-.

If Ukraine would be allowed in NATO now, that would be just an excuse for a defensive union to go fight a war. If they would have been in NATO earlier, yeah that would have worked. But then again you will simply lie and tell the fairy tale of how evil Western countries blocked them. When in reality Ukraine made several U-turn if or if not they want to join within less than 2 years while also having no support for joining in the country (how many months did the parliament go on strike to protest against a pro-NATO move again?).

But you are right, constantly explaining you the reality and why you are just bubbling none-sensical proipaganda makes no sense indeed. So welcome to my blocklist.