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I guess not strictly news - but with all of the vitriol I have seen in discussions on the Israel situation, that have boiled down to arguments over wording, I feel that this take from the BBC is worthy of some discussion.

Mods, feel free to remove if this is not newsy enough.

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[–] kautau@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“Everybody wants to occupy ‘the holy land’ and everyone who is taking part of that sucks”

While Israel has been basically a terrorist state, attacking Palestinians nonchalant, bombing civilian districts, and Hamas has grown in number, also basically being a terrorist state (the iron dome exists for a reason), it feels like we are forgetting that this whole argument comes down to religious rights. The argument will never end. The conflict will never end. Both groups are thumping their book claiming it’s their land. The war will go on for centuries until there’s nothing left to claim. That’s how religious war works, unless some other great motivator stops it.

[–] hassanmckusick@lemmy.discothe.quest 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The war will go on for centuries until there’s nothing left to claim

The US is older than Israel. My grandfather is older than Israel and he's still alive. There was no state of Israel in 1920 and the Jewish population in the region was ~11%. This hasn't been going on for centuries. It's been going on for century.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The history of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel has its origins in the 2nd millennium BCE, when Israelites emerged as an outgrowth of southern Canaanites, During biblical times, a postulated United Kingdom of Israel existed before splitting into two Israelite kingdoms occupying the highland zone

The Crusades, the Ottoman Empire, thankfully those only lasted a century and that’s when we determined who got what.

Yes I’m sure that since they didn’t have it before, they wouldn’t try to have it again. My point is not about nations that rise and fall. It’s that they will continue to rise and fall for this holy war on what they consider to be “their land”

Are you really sure that without US intervention, and the nation of Israel starting, there wouldn’t be orthodox Jewish terrorists on the other side of the border claiming it was “their land?”

Those claiming it’s “their land” will continue to fight, until everyone is dead. That’s my point.