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[–] justhach@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Just a reminder that when given the choice of building afforable housing or paying a fine, every single developer in Montreal elected to pay a fine.

Developers. Can. Not. Be. Counted. On. To. Fix. The. Housing. Crisis.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How does the saying go? Something like For the rich, fines are just part of the cost of doing business

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the fine is less than the profit then it’s the cost of doing business

[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

If the fine is tax-deductible, it's even better!

This isn't necessarily that bad, I think the city just wasn't ready to step in and build them themselves with the funds.

[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Where's the logic in that?

Houses are like cars. When you build an expensive house (or car) for someone who is rich, they leave a lower-cost used home (or car) behind, available to be filled by someone who is not so well off. The more 'unaffordable' homes you build, the more affordable homes come onto the market when the people leave their old home to move into the new home.

But the fine means that developers have to limit themselves to only the most profitable houses, which means the still pretty profitable houses, but not attractive enough once the fine is paid, go by the wayside. And, therefore, fewer affordable homes come onto the market.

Was council trying to make housing even less accessible?

[–] LeafOnTheWind@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yes, trickle down house-enomics.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not enough people say this, fuck Regan!

[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Regan? What? Are you struggling to spell (Will) Rogers? It is he who coined 'trickle down economics' – as a joke – and it was in reference to Hoover. Regan enters the picture nowhere. He has no connection to trickle down, housing in Montreal, or anything to do with Canada at all.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ronald Reagan's economic policies, dubbed "Reaganomics" by opponents, included large tax cuts and were characterized as trickle-down economics.

[–] Rocket@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Characterized by who? Trickle down economics isn't an actual thing, just a joke that made fun of Hoover's engineering background making him familiar with water tricking down, but not realizing that money 'trickles up'.

[–] LeafOnTheWind@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Trickle down economics was not a joke to Reagan (publicly anyway). His plan called for massive tax cuts to the rich so their growth would "trickle down" to everyone else through more jobs from business expansion.

A remarkably stupid idea that has only worked out for the rich...

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, of course! If we just build luxury housing for the rich, the rich will just vacate their current luxury housing (for the rich), which will open it up for someone else! Who will be able to afford luxury housing (for the rich).

This is the thinking of someone who's never struggled to pay a bill in their life.

[–] HLB217@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Houses are like cars. When you build an expensive house (or car) for someone who is rich, they leave a lower-cost used home (or car) behind, available to be filled by someone who is not so well off.

Except they hang on to the lower cost used home and rent it out at extortionate prices to help pay for the expensive house.