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The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

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[–] BB69@lemmy.world 185 points 1 year ago (83 children)

Wholesale slaughter of innocents? What a way to show Palestinians are the ones we should support.

[–] there1snospoon@ttrpg.network 72 points 1 year ago (17 children)

I had been pretty much on the Palestinian side of the conflict for some time.

This attack has absolutely burnt any goodwill I had for the Palestinian cause. If Mexico attacked America in this manner, we would likely own everything south of the Gulf of California.

I cannot fathom what Hamas thought would come of this.

[–] NAXLAB@lemmy.world 157 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Palestine" is not the one that did this. Hamas is a terrorist group, and their actions do not justify the fact that the Israeli government operates an apartheid state where people are given rights, status, and property on the basis of race, and also participates in the slaughter of innocent people.

This isn't a "whoever's worse should lose" situation. Israel commits human rights violations and Hamas is a terrorist group.

[–] BB69@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Hamas is the governing body of Palestine.

It was Palestine who did this.

[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Strictly speaking, it's the governing body of Gaza, which hasn't held elections in well over a decade. The West Bank is governed by the party Fatah, which is much less militant.

There is, however, the awkward truth that the West Bank has also not held elections in a long time, precisely because Hamas would probably win them.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

At last count, Hamas had something like a 75 percent approval rating in Gaza.

The support among all Palestinians is just over 50 percent.

Only 14 percent support the opposition party.

[–] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Political statistics are so fucking weaponized now, that I find it laughable that you would trust the methodology used enough to back an argument of this scale with figures like this.

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[–] Jaderick@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago

By this logic all Iranians support their current Islamist government, which everyone and their mother knows to not be true.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (17 children)

Do you support everything your government does?

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[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's like saying when Republicans do something stupid. It's America. It's not. There's far more going on. And that's just disingenuous.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The lack of nuance displayed around here sometimes is truly disturbing.

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Hamas is the governing body of Gaza. They don't control the West Bank where the majority of Palestinians live.

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[–] falconhoof@artemis.camp 116 points 1 year ago (19 children)

We shouldn't conflate the people of Isreal with the extremist State of Isreal, we shouldn't conflate the people of Palestine with Hamas. Atrocities have been committed on both sides and each one is an atrocity, but the fact remains that the Palestinian people are living under an apartheid and therefore should be supported despite acts committed by extremists in it's name. This situation shouldn't be reduced to a simplistic one-sided team sport. Palestine still needs liberating.

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[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 55 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hamas isn't a rational actor fighting for a free Palestine; their one and only goal - literally written into their charter - is to eradicate every Jew from the land by force.

Every Jew they kill is a victory for them; there's nothing more to it.

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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (10 children)

The us doesn't hold Mexico or Mexicans in an open air concentration camp we regularly demolish buildings in with war munitions for simple allegation with no due process.

I'm going to bet it's going to come out that this is essentially Iran and other countries sending mercs to act as Hamas just as the last major offensive was.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The native Americans would beg to differ about how the United States treated the people who were here before them.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm talking about Mexico today currently as was the person I replied to, and yes as a native I'm aware how shitty the us still treat its native populaces.

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[–] tiny_tina_@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago

Dont forget the paraded naked woman that was spit on by people. Hamas are savages who are funded by Iran

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Had it been attacks on only military targets, that’d be one thing. I understand that this has been a long, drawn-out conflict and Israel has killed a large number of civilians themselves and have, meter-by-meter, been taking more land away from the Palestinians (essentially committing slow-motion genocide). I get that, Israel the country isn’t innocent, BUT civilians should never be considered legitimate targets by either side in the conflict. Hamas isn’t helping their cause any with these attacks.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

This was an Iranian funded terrorist group, not a Palestinian liberation group. They claim to help the latter, but this attack makes it obvious they don't give a shit about Palestinians, they just sent to hurt Israelis. Everyone is better off if the group can be destroyed.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (9 children)
[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Palestine could sure help get rid of them if they wanted to.

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