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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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ALLIES

!abolition@slrpnk.net

!acab@lemmygrad.ml

r/ACAB

r/BadCopNoDonut/

Randy Balko

The Civil Rights Lawyer

The Honest Courtesan

Identity Project

MirandaWarning.org

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

Campaign Zero

Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

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[–] spaduf 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The people they shoot don't get a trial

[–] bl4ckblooc@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you want to improve things, or just get vengeance? Your mindset is the same mindset that got us in this situation, it’s the same mindset that has been used to allow things like that to happen.

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Incorrect and wrong and also I am stronger than you and could beat you in a fight

[–] bl4ckblooc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My dads stronger than your dad

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I think our dad's should kiss

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My grandpa's been dead for decades and he could still beat your dad and everyone else in this thread and their dads too.

I think the latter comments in this thread are satire, but I wanted to defend dad and gramps. :)

[–] Nutteman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you look at my comment history it's mostly dumb satire that sometimes lands and often doesn't lmao

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Your batting average is better than mine.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Even the very worst bad guys, even if they're cops, deserve a fair trial, and a safe stay at a non-barbarous prison with a chance for rehabilitation.