You read the first study? The money was not given to those that has substance abuse, mental health symptoms or alcohol abuse because they felt they represented a small portion of the homeless. Was given to people that were sleeping in friends house and some in cars and didn't abuse alcohol or drugs. That is a joke of an experiment and in no ready ubi. Not does it indicate on any meaningful way how it is paid for as it doesn't include everyone.

The second study found only 3/4 of the people continued to work and ultimately the 150 million dollar program was cancelled because it did not appear to increase contribution to society in any economic way.

[+] i_understand@mastodon.social -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

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[–] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not like it's that expensive to determine who's homeless because they don't have money. Solving homelessness isn't a single golden bullet.

[–] holland@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

99.999999999% of the homeless are homeless because they don't have enough money.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Depends where you are.

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is pretty much bullshit. From a brother in law that died of substance abuse and another I house for same reason, nearly every homeless person I have met has had some type of substance abuse. Being you are making that claim, do you have a source to back it up?

[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Addiction Disorders: The relationship between addiction and homelessness is complex and controversial. While rates of alcohol and drug abuse are disproportionately high among the homeless population, the increase in homelessness over the past two decades cannot be explained by addiction alone. Many people who are addicted to alcohol and drugs never become homeless, but people who are poor and addicted are clearly at increased risk of homelessness. Addiction does increase the risk of displacement for the precariously housed; in the absence of appropriate treatment, it may doom one's chances of getting housing once on the streets. Homeless people often face insurmountable barriers to obtaining health care, including addictive disorder treatment services and recovery supports. Source

It is believed that only about 20 to 40 percent of homeless have a substance abuse issue. In fact, abuse is rarely the sole cause of homelessness and more often is a response to it because living on the street puts the person in frequent contact with users and dealers.

The prevalence of mental illness and substance use among those experiencing homelessness is clear, but Kushel cautions that the vast majority of mental illness among the study participants is anxiety and depression. It’s likely the lack of resources exacerbates those conditions, rather than the illness causing the homelessness, she says.

“I think that the driving issue is clearly the deep poverty, that the median [monthly] household income for everyone in the household in the six months before homelessness was $960, in a state with the highest housing costs in the country,” she says. Other studies have noted that the end of pandemic stimulus payments and rising inflation has led to rents outpacing wages. The study notes that in 2023, California had only 24 units of affordable housing available for every 100 extremely low-income households.Source

Just because you know one or two people that were homeless and also had problems with addiction, doesn't mean the addiction caused their homelessness.

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So you were totally lying when you said 99.999 percent were homeless for reasons other than money.

[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It wasn't me that said that, and that's not what they said.

Edit: I should really refresh the page if I'm going to spend so long reading the sources.

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry was not you. Point being stands though. Your source does not help his post but negates it.

[–] ltxrtquq@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

From the source of link 3:

Figure 17 Primary Reasons for Leaving Last Housing, All Participants

Lost or reduced income: 12%

Conflict among residents: 9%

Didn't want to impose/wanted own space: 7%

Conflict with property owner: 7%

Someone else became sick, disabled, or died: 6%

Building was sold or foreclosed: 6%

Violence or abuse in the household: 5%

Breakup between residents: 4%

Participant's substance use: 4%

Other needed more space: 4%

and also:

To understand what participants believed may have prevented their homelessness, we asked them to engage in a thought experiment about the likelihood that their homelessness could have been prevented had they received financial intervention. We provided all participants with three different scenarios and asked them whether each intervention would have prevented their becoming homeless for at least two years.29 The interventions were: (1) a monthly rental subsidy worth $300-$500; (2) a one-time payment of $5,000 to $10,000; or, (3) a voucher that limits rent contribution to 30% of their income (such as a Housing Choice Voucher).

FIGURE 21 Participant Report of Effect of Hypothetical Homelessness Prevention Interventions by Family Structure

All

$300-$500/month shallow subsidy: 70%

$5,000-$10,000 one-time payment: 82%

Housing voucher: 90%

So while "not enough money" might not have been the most common cause for people being homeless, the vast majority of people think having more money or cheaper housing would have prevented them from becoming homeless.