Still, and I mean no offense here, I still smoke because I want to and like to, knowing every danger it brings me I still have the right to do it to myself. Right of ones own body and all... And for the healthcare part, I just did my part and paid more than will probably be needed myself in advance over the passed 20+ years... The only cost I will make by death from smoking will have come from my pocket when I was alive and still glad I could smoke. 😅

Also, don't get me wrong, I do agree you should not smoke among non-smokers, at least not physically, cause at that point a smoker is causing physical harm to someone that choses not to be harmed by it, I do get and hold myself to that. I also hate smokers that just smoke anywhere at anytime (my own mother, for example, will always eat small portions and immediately smoke at the table after, even though nobody else is finished), but that's just terrible manners or attitude and arguably does not origin from the fact they smoke, rather the other way around,...

I'm just not a fan of more rules with more reasons to become a criminal for doing mundane things. I get that we shouldn't endanger eachother with our behaviors, but full banning things eventually gets enforced to your home included, and you just know one day the cops will be showing up cause somebody saw a young looking person smoke through a home window, because "if it's illegal, it must be evil and stopped." and will also make it impossible for anyone under the rising barrier to ever be able to get help stopping when they want to, cause it'll forever get them in trouble admitting they do...

Either way, aside from the smoking, though, I also don't think it's a good idea to start introducing laws with a rising age-barrier,... History has shown us plenty of times it is not a very productive thing to separate groups of people for life according to a personal trait they didn't choose to have/be. 😕

[–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you kidding? The government will dig themselves deeper into debt with or without it. Regardless, "I can't stop giving people cancer because otherwise it would cut into my profits" is a uniquely shitty thing to say.

[–] doctorn@r.nf -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Assuming that I go out and smoke among other people, which I don't. My pack is always safe at home when I'm out, only time I'd take it was when going out to parties (which I haven't done in many years) and even then I'd go stand separate to smoke.

Not everybody of a big group of people that have a similar action are therefor the same. Never good to generalize and treat people differently for 1 thing either...

It seems to me y'all have problems with people of a bad attitude. It's not so much that they smoke, but that they do it without respect... Doesn't every smoker doesn't have respect...

[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Better than selling cancer. There's bound to be another, better way.

[–] Melkath@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everything causes cancer.

Everything.

[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I mean if we are talking about a long enough span of time yes. You could go a step further and include that everything will turn to dust, everything. I have a feeling that smoking causes one of the more dangerous types of cancer, and far quicker than say, getting it due to chance or genetics, microplastics etc. One of the things that always bugged me about smokers is that it genuinely feels like a zero sum habit. Especially now. I could understand up to the 2010s the social aspect, but that's mostly gone now too. There's no upside to smoking.