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[–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Just like how in climate change is that we use plastic straws, don't look at how 80% of the pollution is industrial and/or Chinese in origin.

Or in Canada where rents are so high in Vancouver and Toronto that they're redefining budgeting for renters, from 1/3 to half and even 2/3rds instead of dealing with real estate speculation.

[–] LibertyLizard 8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Are you saying China is responsible for 80% of emissions? That’s definitely false.

[–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Badly written. 80% are industrial. They are, based on their public numbers, responsible for a third of the world's CO2 though.

Their official numbers put them at number 1 CO2 emitter, and pollute more then next 5.

[–] chiraag@mastodon.online -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Kbin_space_program @throws_lemy @LibertyLizard As pointed out elsewhere, it's quite hypocritical to point to China to reduce emissions generated by manufacturing stuff for the West.

[–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That was partially true more than a decade ago, since they could have had laws in place to prevent those emissions.

Now though they're more making things for themselves, and any attempt on their part to declare themselves a "developing country" is a sham.

[–] chiraag@mastodon.online -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Kbin_space_program @throws_lemy @LibertyLizard Or, you know, we could trace those emissions back to the source, which would land the blame squarely on the tons of US companies responsible.

Also, as an aside, why don't you compare per capita emissions, since China has > 3 times the population of the US?

[–] Kbin_space_program@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because the ecosystem doesn't care about pollution per capita.

Also, the reason the US is so high is because it refines most of the world's oil.

Same reason Canada is so high. Alberta, by itself, is more than half of Canada CO2 emissions.

[–] chiraag@mastodon.online 1 points 1 year ago

@Kbin_space_program @throws_lemy @LibertyLizard Sure, the ecosystem doesn't care about per capita, but the largest reductions in emissions would understandably come from the largest per-capita emitters.

Nothing I'm saying here is specific to China. We should be tracing back and allocating *all* emissions based on the 'instigator' of those emissions. It's sort of like blaming Togo or Benin for poor child slavery records while ignoring that most of the demand for that labor comes from *us*.

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