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A US State Department report that accuses the Chinese government of expanding disinformation efforts is “in itself disinformation,” Beijing’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs claimed Saturday.

The ministry shot back after the State Department issued a striking report this week in which it accused the Chinese government of expanding efforts to control information and to disseminate propaganda and disinformation that promotes “digital authoritarianism” in China and around the world.

The US report, issued by the Global Engagement Center on Thursday, alleged that China spends billions of dollars a year on foreign information manipulation and warned that Chinese leader Xi Jinping had “significantly expanded” efforts to “shape the global information environment.”

It also underlined US concerns about China as a main military competitor and key rival in the battle over ideas and global disinformation.

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[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 63 points 1 year ago (51 children)

This is funny. It also reflects in Lemmy. For example, take this tankie comment claiming "zelensky made having peace negotiations with putin ILLEGAL", based on an article which says "Zelensky’s decree released Tuesday declares that holding negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin has become impossible after his decision to annex four regions of Ukraine."

Then watch how mods from lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml ban users and delete comments which question their narrative.

Cherry on top: A user from this curated bubble remarks that "Nobody actually has any argument against this", because of course they are shielded from comments who pointed out the inaccuracy of the claim, and don't question it themselves.

Compare yourself:


Now read that comment in the basement of this thread again:

Understand we American make more lie for pleasure and entertaining. Not chinese lie. China always with great truth.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Had to open the links up in web version to see the difference. Ngl, it's something I expected lemmygrad to do. I'm glad to be on lemm.ee. I love the admins and their transparency and how their policies are democratically decided like when we voted to defederate Threads.

I also think there is nothing wrong with stuff like this and it's what lemmy was made for. If one instance doesn't like something, they can remove it, other instances may still want to see it, if members don't like it, they can move or have their own instance but can still interact. It's the beauty of decentralization.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

comments which question their narrative.

But don't you see that's NATO propaganda. Want proof? Have a look at who posted it.

[–] Vilian@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

to be fair it's lemmygrad so it's the worse of qorse, not exactly lemmy in general

[–] bobman@unilem.org -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What are you talking about? The first reply to that comment has more upvotes and debunks it.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The first reply to that comment has more upvotes and debunks it.

Yes, from our point of view. This is fine. My point is, compare to their point of view.

All comments rectifying the lie got removed. Users from that instance see a whole other story. Only now that weird comment makes sense:

Nobody actually has any argument against this except ad hominems, which is usually fairly telling.

The OP article seems to talk about a similar situation, just in geopolitics, while we play in Lemmy. Two parties with very different narratives. One is heavily filtering and censoring, which allows people living in that bubble to honestly believe what they are being told. Because that's all they see, their Big Brother takes care.

[–] bobman@unilem.org 2 points 1 year ago

Sorry, I am unsure how this federation thing works but your explanation made it much clearer.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's unclear what you mean with "that comment", since my comment refers to three distinct comments, and two different views of a comment section, with different replies and upvotes. If you can narrow down your question (preferrably with a link), I will try to answer it.

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