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[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Rather than a hard stop, I think it would be a good idea to significantly increase taxes on real estate no one is actively living in, and use the proceeds to subsidize construction of new housing.

[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This seems to be the most reasonable. Disincentiivize multiple property ownership rather than outright ban it. The ones who can eat the cost will pay taxes and the rest will just bow out of the market.

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But housing is a need and people will keep paying any price to not be homeless, this feels like it leads to massive corporations still owning all of them and paying large taxes they can eat short term and raise to massive prices of rent. Maybe they dump some stock but I'm just not sure it does much other than diversify smaller investors that used property for assets

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

this feels like it leads to massive corporations still owning all of them and paying large taxes

Then the taxes aren't high enough. That's an easy fix. It's one of those times the state doesn't want to optimise the rate for total tax earned but to make paying it for any length of time actually prohibitive. Make it so that they can't possibly raise rents high enough to cover those taxes and they'll understand quickly.

The other side of the equation is a bit harder, and that's housing overstock: Companies will be sitting on housing they can't rent out due to lack of demand for housing. One idea would be to allow them to lease homes out to municipalities for literally nothing but tax forgiveness and the municipalities can use that to house the left-over homeless, unemployed, etc. Call it a half write off. Oh those leases need sensible minimum durations, I'd say five years is a good start.

smaller investors that used property for assets

You can easily make smaller investors be hit significant less by it by scaling the tax to the number of vacant housing units. Own a second home you rent out and spend four months finding a renter you like? Fine, pay ten bucks. Do that to 1000 housing units? Pay 10000 bucks for each.


Yes, those kinds of rates are right-out financial violence. That's the point: The state has to step in as the larger bully to keep the small ones in check to avert market failure.

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rather than a hard stop, I think it would be a good idea to significantly increase taxes on real estate no one is actively living in, and use the proceeds to subsidize construction of new housing.

An alternative is to replace property tax with a land tax. That way instead of penalizing people for building more housing, they are penalized for holding onto land that could be used to house more people (or whatever other use is in mind).

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Nah tax the fuck outta landlords

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There should also be taxes on rental properties beyond the first to prevent the "hoard and rent" cycle

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

I disagree, because that would disincentivize housing. I think the price of housing is mostly just a function of how much of it is on the market. Wealth inequality is also a problem but should be addressed in other ways.

As an aside, the tax should also apply to commercial real estate so there is an incentive to convert offices to apartments.