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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

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Did we kill Linux's killer feature? (lemdro.id)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by mfat@lemdro.id to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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A few years ago we were able to upgrade everything (OS and Apps) using a single command. I remember this was something we boasted about when talking to Windows and Mac fans. It was such an amazing feature. Something that users of proprietary systems hadn't even heard about. We had this on desktops before things like Apple's App Store and Play Store were a thing.

We can no longer do that thanks to Flatpaks and Snaps as well as AppImages.

Recently i upgraded my Fedora system. I few days later i found out i was runnig some older apps since they were Flatpaks (i had completely forgotten how I installed bitwarden for instance.)

Do you miss the old system too?

Is it possible to bring back that experience? A unified, reliable CLI solution to make sure EVERYTHING is up to date?

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[–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

alias upgrade="sudo pacman -Syu && yay -Syu && sudo flatpak upgrade"

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What you suggest works for Arch distros only of course. Actually, yay -Syu will do the pacman stuff for you first anyway so you can skip that.

If you are using EndevourOS, check out eos-update. I just discovered it. It is basically the same thing but it will automatically handle keyring updates and db.lck issues if you have ever run into those. Basically, it is what yay should be.

Another EndevourOS gem is eos-shifttime. It will set your system to whatever pacman would have done on a specific date. You can use it to roll-back to a specific date. Or, if it has been forever since you upgraded, it lets you upgrade more incrementally than catching up all at once. Pretty cool. I guess you could also mimic the Manjaro experience by always upgrading to whatever was in the Arch repositories 3 weeks ago.

[–] IuseArchbtw@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Of course those commands only work for arch-based distros, but it is completely possible to adapt them to fedora or debian-based distros

[–] burrito@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

&& snap refresh

[–] andruid@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think a lot of people just won't endorse snap as long as it's backend is proprietary

[–] vox@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

snaps are terribly, terribly slow, especially if you still have a mechanical drive.