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This poll is showing a +20 point net approval rating as of June. Protests mean little if they don't reflect the underlying views of the populace, and that's all for the better. People shouldn't be able to override popular will simply by holding a protest.
Nobody realized how bad things were going to be back in June. Now that the crisis is in full swing opinions are rapidly changing. There are protests and strikes happening all across Europe right now. People protesting is literally the expression of the will of the people.
Until someone gets a solid poll in front of me, I really don't care about protests. If decisions were made by protest alone, Donald Trump would still be president.
That's right, because the suffragettes got the right to vote from polls, not protest!
Stonewall polls were a crucial part of gay rights!
Solid polls are always political indicators, that's why there was a massive series of polls to secure civil rights <3
Sorry, my point was unclear. Well functioning liberal democracies work by having groups working to further various interests, whether it be gay rights, workers rights, business interests, or environmentalism. Protests can be part of the political process, either as a rallying point or a show of dissatisfaction. But a protest does not on its own show that the cause reflects the will of the people. That's why free and fair elections are so vital, as well as direct contact with representatives.
It's really sad that people still look at liberal democracies and think, yup this is a well functioning system. Free and fair elections don't happen in liberal democracies (notice how it's the same people and organizations calling western elections free and fair and election elsewhere rigged when they don't like the outcome). There is no direct contact between the people and representatives beyond maybe the city/county level.
The rights of capital and private property trump everything else, because capital and private property are in control of the institutions of power. The only reason we have any rights beyond the right to die when we're unable to work is precisely due to protest movements forcing capital and politicians to make small compromises in order to maintain their balance of power.
Thinking that liberal democracy functions well for all and is the peak of political development is just another facet of the capitalist propaganda we of the imperial core are immersed in from birth. Thinking that protests are only a small but ultimately inconsequential part of the political process is a further facet of this propaganda.
Versus a system where the only real option to change governance is violent overthrow? Where press freedom is systematically suppressed? Look at Iran right now, the government would rather kill people than listen to them or make changes. Or Russia, where dissent that makes a difference could well land you in jail. The democratic process is messy, no doubt about it, but it's a far sight better than one where the leadership answers only to their peers and to pitchforks.
Alright, it's spooky season, I'll allow a giant scarecrow sized strawman.
Last I checked your country doesn't have any democracy to speak of, maybe that's something you should care about
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B
The whole reason Trump exists is because your country is deeply undemocratic, and the oligarchs have been fucking over the rest of the people for many decades resulting in a huge number of dissatisfied people who are now willing to listen to anybody who says they're not the establishment.
You know how you got any of the rights you still have in US? That was through massive strikes, protests, and other forms of civil disobedience back in the 1930s. That scared your government enough to pass the New Deal. And that's been systematically dismantled over the following decades leading to where you are now.
That's an old study. It has since had some rebuttals that took a second look at the data and paint a much more nuanced picture. The rich and middle class are more or less in lockstep, and when they weren't the difference wasn't by much. Also the areas where they differ are not where you might expect. For instance, rich people were more likely to support public financing, which would at least in theory reduce their influence. The poor is where the larger break is. They are mostly in lockstep on issues, but where there are splits they win out about 18% of the time. That said, this narrative that there is no democracy and the rich always win is straight out false.
There is also the last sentence from your image:
IMHO, this and cultural divides are far more important for understand political outcomes in the US than a solely class-based analysis provides.
The study analyzes many decades of US policy, and there has been no fundamental changes in how things work today.
It's also important to mention that the capitalist class owns all the media in US, and uses it to propagandize people. Many books have been written on the subject with studies and discussions of how this works in practice. Manufacturing Consent and Inventing Reality being two prominent examples. Again, it's hard to call a country a democracy when the media is pretty much exclusively owned by the oligarchy.
Cultural divides narrative is a great example of how people are distracted from the class analysis. As Michael Parenti put it:
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"Good to hear"
Also defining dictatorship of bourgeoisie in France as "popular will" is kinda stretchy like measured in AU.
Many of those countries listed hold only fake elections, if they hold any at all. There is simple no established way for the average citizen to hold their leaders accountable besides a complete revolution.
I'm talking about whether French popular sentiment supports aid to the Ukrainian government to fight Russia. You can brush off their opinion as meaningless if you want, but I prefer to take
L.M.A.O. "democracy is when NATO (approve)"