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[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So what do you do? Do you turn up and give the details for Double_A, vote, then turn around and pretend that you're now me, for example?

Or do you spend the day travelling around to different polling booths hoping that the person you've chosen from that area hasn't voted yet, or that they nobody will make a fuss when it turns out they're trying to vote twice?

[–] Aux@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You get a bus full of old people, tour them around the city and tell them ID data to cast votes. Works like a charm for Putin. Voting without a passport is absurd.

[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It works for Putin because anyone who disobeys him mysteriously falls out of a window.

Again, in this scenario, what happens when the actual voter turns up? You conveniently ignored that part of my post.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Most people don't vote, that's not a very realistic scenario.

[–] james1@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people don't vote

About 70% of the electorate vote nowadays, it has varied higher or lower but never been as low as 50% of eligible voters to even say "half of eligible people don't vote" let alone "most"

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8060/CBP-8060.pdf

So assuming you have say 20 old people on your fictional bus, even assuming that all of your voter info is correct and everyone is on the register, the chances of all of them being able to cast a second vote without any of them being caught are billions to one.

The idea that millions of people will risk a significant chance of a lengthy prison sentence for their individually tiny extra votes is absurd when any actual attack on election integrity would not happen at the point of "turning up at the polling station and hoping for the best."

Even if one in a million voters did try and get away with this - which again is a hugely inflated number from anything we get an indication of - if to do so you stop tens of thousands of people from being able to vote at all that still makes the election less democratic overall.

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

And yet it happens across the world.

[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you think buses full of old people voting in multiple polling stations is?

[–] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I mean it happens all the time across the world.

[–] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes that, but very early so the chance is high that I vote before the real guy.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

When they prove they are the real guy you get busted for voter fraud. Congratulations.

[–] Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

So in your scenario, what happens if the person has already voted, or cast a postal vote? Or what happens when they turn up later? Do you think that they're just dismissed, or do you think that someone's going to investigate the fraud?

You clearly haven't thought this through.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And then you commit voter fraud and get the appropriate punishment.

Oh, and what about your own vote? Gonna vote twice? Might not want to do that...