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They are just saying whatever to get a rise out of people like 4chan. The goal is chaos they want everyone to react and ban instances.
They don't magically go away when they are defederated. They will sign up to other open instances and plan their raids from the defederated one which we will have no visibility of. Then they can go from instance to instance causing chaos and breaking up the network as each one defederates.
Then you are back at square one where it is a user problem.
I'm not supporting this particular instance but its a problem that needs to be considered and defederation is a short term fix but will result it bigger problems down the line.
The blueprint is there to kill the network. Make a load of accounts, spam dumb shit until you are defederated... Rinse and repeat.
I think the responsibility lies on the owners of each instance to manage trolls on their instance. If they moderate responsibly and shut down the Nazis and trolls, nobody will defederate them. If they don't moderate effectively and their instance turns into a cesspool, they'll get defederated by everybody except other trolls.
That's the whole point of the fediverse. You run your instance, and based on what users on your instance do, other instances decide whether or not to federate with it. And if that results in multiple federated networks that don't federate with one another, that's fine too. You can't keep fascists or tankies from downloading server software and setting up an online forum. But you can keep them out of yours.
Then sh.itjust.works should probably remove their instance-wide rules.
Evidence?
I mean trolls in general, I'm not calling for defederation. I'm trying to point out it won't solve their problem. I'm playing devils advocate and saying they're will always be something someone finds offensive and to block problematic individuals not the whole instance.
I want names and links
I didn't visit the site, i said I'm speaking in a general sense about trolls.
Not a lot of folks are that vindictive and dedicated to the cause, to make that an issue, I don't think.