this post was submitted on 04 Sep 2023
306 points (93.0% liked)

Asklemmy

43945 readers
818 users here now

A loosely moderated place to ask open-ended questions

Search asklemmy πŸ”

If your post meets the following criteria, it's welcome here!

  1. Open-ended question
  2. Not offensive: at this point, we do not have the bandwidth to moderate overtly political discussions. Assume best intent and be excellent to each other.
  3. Not regarding using or support for Lemmy: context, see the list of support communities and tools for finding communities below
  4. Not ad nauseam inducing: please make sure it is a question that would be new to most members
  5. An actual topic of discussion

Looking for support?

Looking for a community?

~Icon~ ~by~ ~@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de~

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

With climate change looming, it seems so completely backwards to go back to using it again.

Is it coal miners pushing to keep their jobs? Fear of nuclear power? Is purely politically motivated, or are there genuinely people who believe coal is clean?


Edit, I will admit I was ignorant to the usage of coal nowadays.

Now I'm more depressed than when I posted this

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] NormandyEssex@lemmy.world 135 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t think we ever stopped mining it

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, the correct answer is that "net zero" Is a greenwashed lie to placate the masses into inaction while the oligarchy continues business as usual until collapse.

https://medium.com/@samyoureyes/the-busy-workers-handbook-to-the-apocalypse-7790666afde7

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I thought net zero meant there was no net co2 being emitted at any time? This is saying countries can claim net zero by just promising to remove co2 in the future. I've never seen it used that way, is that the common understanding?

[–] StandingCat@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The way people get to net zero is stupid accounting tricks. I burned a whole bunch of coal, but i paid a buddy of mine to plant trees. So now Im celebrating net zero with my buddy in his brand new tesla roadster. Who knew planting trees was so lucrative.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So we need good regulation to make sure the carbon is being sequestered. If planting trees and then burying them actually gets carbon permanently out of the atmosphere, I'm all for it. I would love planting trees to be lucrative, we could use more forests, they're great!

[–] w2qw@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No one is actually burying trees. What happens is that after the contract ends they can just cut down the trees, release the carbon and start again.

I do agree with better regulation but forrestry ones should just go.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Oh I just remembered, someone who worked at an arboretum who I met a while ago mentioned that trees actually diffuse carbon dioxide directly into the soil. I think he said it was about one third of the weight of the tree? That amount would still be sequestered even if the tree wasn't buried. But I don't know how stable that is over the long term.

For offsets to work, they'd need to be based on the actual science of how much carbon they trap over what period of time. Different methods would need to have offset values published by the government. But I agree, offsets with algie or similar look much more feasible than trees.

[–] calavera@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Not that this happens in real life, but a solution could be a law declaring those lands national reserves and not allowing for extraction anymore.

[–] w2qw@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

paid a buddy of mine to plant trees.

It's actually worse than that they are paying people to not cut down trees. It's the same logic when my GF says she saved $200 because the dress was half price.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a lie because several of the dependent solutions are essentially impossible to achieve (given time, technology, resources, investment, economics, etc), as well as being the bare minimum necessary to avert disaster, with a deadline decades after it's required to avert disaster.

Read the link to understand why.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I don't see a link