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[–] Moonguide@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What have they to gain from advocating against it?

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 122 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As to why a Scientology-owned group would care about such a matter, 404 Media suggested that it could have to do with Scientology E-meters, or electropsychometers. The Church of Scientology describes the machines as an "electronic instrument that measures mental state and change of state in individuals and assists the precision and speed of auditing" and that only a Scientology minister or training minister should use. 404 Media noted that some people collect the devices and, oddly enough, you can find E-Meters sold on eBay.

"My hunch is that the Scientologists think granting the hacking community permission to dig into their E-Meter software will expose the whole operation as snake oil. The request is like so many other anti-Right to Repair arguments: Manufacturers are afraid that access to repair materials will expose some of their other dirty secrets," Chamberlain said.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 59 points 1 year ago (6 children)

But isn’t their whole operation snake oil? Aliens crashing into a volcano and possessing humans is pretty dumb.

[–] DaCookeyMonsta@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That wasn't always public knowledge. It was a thing you only learned about later on when you were more indoctrinated. Then undercover reporters found out and South Park made it very public.

[–] fubo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was mostly publicized via Usenet by Arnaldo Lerma, Dennis Erlich, Karin Spaink, David Touretzky, and other activists and ex-Scientologists starting in the early 1990s. The South Park episode didn't come out until over ten years later in 2005.

[–] MelodiousFunk@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago

Gotta give them points for snake oil creativity though. Their nonsense is much more entertaining than hearing "invisible sky wizard did it" as the answer to every question for millennia.

[–] saplyng@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, their thing is alien volcano ghosts?

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, a long time ago an evil alien enslaved people and crashed into a volcano on Earth where they became ghosts and possessed the primitive humans living there. South Park has a good explanation of this lunacy

[–] NakariLexfortaine@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

I've always wondered if the "THIS IS REAL SCIENTOLOGIST BELIEF" ticker was something planned early on, or if there was a moment of taking the whole thing in and someone went "This is fuckin' South Park. Everyone is going to think we're being extreme. We need to clarify."

[–] vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 year ago

Correct, but they want to keep plausible deniability.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah. But in a world where JFK is coming back or something, a volcano cult isn't like stand-out crazy anymore.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nobody finds out their religious contraption doesn’t do anything and/or explains to other Scientologists what it actually does

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's a Wheatstone bridge, a very well-known circuit that's used to measure resistance very accurately. That's about it. You can slap one together at home very easily. There's nothing special in this device that would even benefit from right to repair, any halfway decent engineer or hobbyist can figure it out. It's like wanting to repair a desk lamp, you don't need schematics or data sheets to do that.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While they are still essentially measuring galvanic skin response, modern ones have a lot more going on internally.

[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

TIL that I learned about Scientology in EE classes lol

[–] Erasmus@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My guess is the machines are a complete fake and don’t do anything outside of having some fancy dials and meters that a select few people are trained on how to ‘trick’ people into making look like they do something.

If people start digging into it then shit will hit the fan.

My guess is they want this stopped or at the least delayed until they can come up with some other bullshit method.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They do do something. They are simple ohmmeters. They measure the body resistance of whoever's holding the probes. They took a common electronics tool and made it a religious artifact.

[–] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought some of the meditative religions did it first... They're always like "ohm"

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

blessed be the jewel of the lotus

[–] ours@lemmy.film 12 points 1 year ago

Make it harder for the free Scientology groups to operate. The groups offering the same services for free and without the accuser and they use second hand e-meters.

It's the methadone to the CoCs opium and the church doesn't like it.