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“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev.

Russian politician Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia could have a right to go to war with NATO.

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[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 91 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The toys we're sharing are our older toys from the 80s and 90s even. Its not even the more deadly stuff we have...and they're fighting against a force that's getting a few weeks training on these toys and sent out into the field. If russia truly wants a 72 hour war...all it would need to do is attack NATO.

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, Ukraine is excited about maybe getting some F-16s and how much that could help with the air war and meanwhile a couple of F-22s could take down a whole squadron of them.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

A squadron of f-22s could take down most air forces.

An air wing of f-22s could probably beat all other air forces combined, with the possible exception of china, though damn they would need to figure out how to keep reloaded.

The USAF is the strongest air force in the world.

The second strongest is the US navy Air wing.

Think the marines are 4.

Edit: this is an old listing, and russia was #3, so I think we actually have the trifecta.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea I feel like all the charts with russia on them need to be redrawn... it's clearly noticable at this point they've been a paper military.

[–] Epilektoi_Hoplitai@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Potemkin military.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

At one point I believe the Navy had more aircraft total than the AF, but they had them beat in specialization. AF does the heavy lift jobs, stealth, and up until recently, space launches and satellites. I think Navy and Marine F-18's fly more sorties though.

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is the F-22 that much more capable?

What about the F-35? Did its issues ever get resolved?

[–] Ertebolle@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago

Yes. And yes. Article on the F-35.

[–] flying_monkies@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago

Is the F-22 that much more capable?

Yes, it is.

The most successful jet fighter of the modern era is the F15 with a combat record of 104-0.

In combat against F15s, the F22 is 41-1.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

72? Pretty generous. I'm pretty sure we have more HARM missiles than they do S400 SAM batteries.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It’s not the war, it’s the keeping.

In any case, we’d probably bog down around the same time China and everyone else on that side got involved. I don’t think it would be as clean or as quick. But, yeah. We could definitely screw them pretty harshly without ever landing troops

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

China and Russia have no military alliance, Xi is just taking advantage of the fantastic business opportunity that opened up for him for cheap Russian imports. If Chinese troops became militarily involved in Russian territory, it would probably be to acquire their claims over eastern Siberia, dating back to the Qing Dynasty. Otherwise he's just be supporting a state that competes with him for the dominant regional position.

The Tsar took that land from them, back in the day though. If you look at their current claimed territories, they never forgot. Maybe if Russia agreed to become a subject state of China, then they'd help militarily, but they're certainly not friends or allies.

Russia does have actual allies, but not many. And China isn't one of them.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So what you’re saying is we could Jalta Russia at the Urals with the Chinese and set up Cold War 2 on a really big scale?

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's what everyone wants, we get west russia, China gets parts of Siberia with resources, and with it we buy peace for another 50 years while everyone consolidates.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We don't need to occupy Russia to stop them from continuing a war that they start. We can just destroy their equipment and manufacturing locations so their armed forces surrender.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was just gonna say, destroy the vodka and cigarettes.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

That falls under equipment!

[–] bluGill@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There isn't anyone really on that side . China and NATO have differences, but China doesn't have anything to gain from helping Russia, and nthey lose a lot is NATO loses. They will sit out. Similar with India, they will stay out . Iran or a few other small counties might consider joining, but I doubt it as most are smart enough to know that is suicide.

[–] Hank@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Idk, China might see the spread of resources as a good opportunity to try an invasion of Taiwan.

[–] bluGill@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

Maybe, Xi seems just sane enough not to try, but who knows. China and Russia can't really win against NATO though they make things harder. India likely hates China enough to join NATO as well.

Of course we are talking nuclear armed countries so everyone loses is possible.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Putin made his move because Xi sounded like he was going to go at the same time.

Xi was closing on HK and planned to switch immediately to Taiwan, even started the domestic pivot, then his navy told him they needed at least 5 years (honestly its more like 15, they are just starting carrier flight ops on the Liaoning and their newer ones aren't shaken down yet).

Putin had made his preparations, Xi hinted he might go anyway once the west was distracted.

If daddy z hadn't stayed in kyiv history would look really bad right now.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

This sounds like a job for science!

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

There’s also the option that it’s going to be a 30-ish minute war. 50-ish if the other side manages to get their counter value force airborne.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Or the big guns. If they start attacking the nuclear powers, things are going to get very spicy very quickly.