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I’m always against censoring made content because it’s lead to a pretty puritanical society we live in
Sweet, so us instance owners are literally fighting off a CSAM attack here on lemmy, and a lot of instances have shut down because of it. So, you're stepping up to host now and will deal with the feds and the laws that are broken? Great, thanks.
Depends on the country you live in but in most countries there are laws to protect you against abuse. Personally I wouldn't host anything for anyone except myself because then I would need to give everyone my full name and home address, because that's the law in Germany.
There still is the moral aspect of it though.
Oh screw off with your reactionist attitude, the poster asked how people felt about an action and I answered, no need to get all butthurt
Right, and I said that if you're so against it then you set up and run you're own instance. I don't think that's very reactionist personally, I'm telling you to go do it yourself if you believe so much in it. Until then I don't really care about how you feel about deserving free speech or censorship when you're not willing to host it yourself. (There are tools that have one click deploy online, all they need is a credit card, feel free to get started today, tell everyone you allow all of the content)
See that last line right there, that’s the kind of snarky shit I’m talking about, go touch grass bud
@yokonzo @scrubbles
I wouldn't lose any sleep over this one, Scrubbles.
it's the same attitude the cat has for being fed on time. he has no concept of what is required for him to have the thing he demands, he just demands it loudly.
lol nope, I think this one is hilarious. Wants unlimited free speech and to never be censored but will do nothing themselves to support it, just demands it of other people. The only way to be truly free is to host yourself, and as we're seeing people will go out of their way to still try to ruin that too.
Thanks Magic, and saw your profile is Seattle, hello fellow Seattle-ite :)
Cool, I assume you are volunteering to go through all the pornographic content and make sure it doesn't contain minors, and that it only involves people that consented to it, and take all legal responsibility for hosting and serving any illegal content? Great, I'll contact all the Lemmy admins for you.
IANAL, but as far as I know you dont have to proactively remove illegal content, just the stuff you were made aware of.
So all this drama about federating illegal content is very much overblown.
Edit: sorry about calling it "drama", didnt know the full extent of whats currently happening. (malicious users spamming CP)
Seeing how I had to become very knowledgeable because I'm an instance owner in the last few hours because of Lemmy and bad actors, this is absolutely not true.
Im curious: What are the legal duties of a fediverse hoster regarding illegal content currently? Do you really have to remove illegal content proactively? Because as far as I know, thats just in the EU and only if you are one of the major digital services(which fediverse server hosters arent)
I'm pretty sure the mods and admins of lemmyshitpost are fully aware of the illegal content being reported to them in one of the most popular Lemmy tiddeRverse communities, so i'm not entirely confident the 'proactive removal' info is relevant in this situation.
If 10 volunteers can't keep up with it, most of which have now quit, I find it really hard to see this as "drama" personally. I see it as a serious issue which has real life consequences for both the instance owner (risk of being raided) and the moderators subjected to reviewing it.
I suspect you wouldn't describe it as overblown if you were in the same situation as the mods. I occasionally sift through the modlog and there are occasionally some seriously vile takes in there, spam posts and abuse removed by these volunteers on a daily basis, all to keep our feeds clean. Add traumatic content on top of that too, and it's no surprise some mods have left and they've shuttered the comm.
Apologies if I come off as abrasive in this comment in general, but I just vehemently disagree with the take that this is just some "overblown drama"
Ah sorry, I didnt know that there is an attack going on currently, i just saw a bunch of posts about lemmy being illegal to operate because of the risk of CP federation. And then this post which seemed to imply that one needs constant automated illegal content filtering, which as far as i know isnt required by law, unless you operate a major service that is reachable in the EU, and fediverse servers arent major enough for that.
Yeah on top of that it sounds like the people who did see it are pretty shaken up, apparently it was real fucked up. So not only blocking it from ever hitting the servers for legal reasons, but on top of that just so no one needs to see that. There are third party tools that will analyze it and block it automatically, and we're hoping to get those online quick
Yea, just leave the CSAM till someone reports it, great solution!
Well, thats how it generally worked as far as I know. Im not saying that you can host illegal stuff as long as no one reports it. Im saying its impossible to know instantly if someones posting something illegal to your server, youd have to see it first. Or else pretty much the entire internet would be illegal, because any user can upload something illegal at any time, and youd instantly be guilty of hosting illegal content? I doubt it.
Censoring != tagging
I hear you, and if love to live in a world where people could be trusted not to be assholes when posting things on social media, but sadly we don't live in that world. In this world, people post some Truly Evil Shit, and this presents a problem when a platform scales.