There is no scenario here where Ukraine can win against Russia. All this conflict does is prolong the suffering of the people there. The only ethical thing to do is to help find a diplomatic solution and encourage negotiations. Unfortunately, western powers have been doing the opposite of that encouraging Ukraine to continue fighting and sending weapons. The reality is that the west doesn’t actually care about the people of Ukraine, and just wants to use them as pawns to drag Russia into a prolonged conflict there. It’s a ghoulish thing to do.

[–] obsolete29@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Yeah sure. The only ethical thing to do is to give Putin everything he wants so he doesn't kill more Ukrainians. Got it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Please explain to me your galaxy brain logic of why killing more Ukrainians to achieve the same result is desirable. You're not personally affected by any of this, so it's easy for you to advocate ruining lives of countless other people to spite Putin.

If you feel so strongly about this then why don't you pick up a gun and go to Ukraine yourself, if you're not willing to do that then kindly shut the fuck up.

[–] obsolete29@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, it's pretty easy logic to follow, and if you were anything other than a partisan troll, arguing in bad faith, you could easily follow.

The Ukrainians are asking for help. We should help them. That it's. That's the logic.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I love how you just homogenized Ukrainians here. The Ukrainian regime that insists on continuing the fighting certainly does not represent the totality of people of Ukraine. It's a large country with diverse demographics and right wing extremists that the west backs do not speak for all of Ukraine. Either you're a troll or utterly ignorant on the subject you're bloviating on.

[–] obsolete29@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Haha way to toe the partisan line. Russia has to invade to fight the nazi fascists. Got it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 years ago

Nowhere did I justify Russia invading anything. Thanks for confirming you're a troll though given the nazi problem in Ukraine is a well documented fact.

[–] odium@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ahh yes, appeasement. Such a great plan. Next they invade Poland and you can just give them that as well to make sure that they don't suffer. We can just go through a list of countries and give them one a year, no suffering.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it