I had a comment response to you that was deleted by the mods. I can't remember what I said, but I know it wasn't offensive in any way. How do I know this? I'm all for LGBTQ rights, including trans people. I think it's absolutely awful what Florida and other states are doing to these people. I think it's awful that children who are transgender are being ostracized from children's sports leagues (which should be fun, not competitive). I'm a huge supporter of trans rights.

BUT - I disagreed with your comment. Because I believe there is a difference at competitive levels of sports. And that hormone suppressors and their effectiveness is not the only consideration here.

But apparently nobody is allowed to have an opinion on this topic that isn't 100% on board with the global messaging of the trans community right now?

This is how you lose supporters, not gain them. I'm an ally. But allies can have disagreements, and should be able to voice them respectively.

In short, it's fucking absurd that my comment was deleted solely because I don't 100% agree with someone on something.

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

the problem with your comments here is people have repeatedly noted--and you have repeatedly ignored--how there is really no good faith interpretation of what is being done because the outrage is completely selective. the entirety of modern sports is "unfair" because to be even a replacement-level player at the upper echelons of sports you have to be genetically and athletically gifted in a way that your contemporaries are not. but it's really only when trans people[^1] allegedly have some sort of advantage that this "unfairness" is raised

[^1]: or minorities with naturally high testosterone--are we seeing we seeing a pattern of targeting here?

[–] blackhole@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because people have 'noted' something, doesn't mean that it is indeed a fact, that is not up for discussion. I am allowed to disagree with your 'notes' am I not?

The problem with my comment is that I disagree with you. Nothing else. I'm not being disrespectful. I'm not being hateful. I love transgender people, same as everyone else. I believe the laws targeting transgender people are fucking awful.

But I do disagree with you in terms of how we should setup our sports leagues at the highest levels. And because I disagree with you, I should be silenced?

I'm not IGNORING what you and others have noted. I'm DISAGREEING.

[–] alyaza@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because people have ‘noted’ something, doesn’t mean that it is indeed a fact, that is not up for discussion. I am allowed to disagree with your ‘notes’ am I not?

but like... it is. you can "disagree" but you're essentially disagreeing with reality here, not with me and others for noting the reality of the situation. we simply do not live in the world where there's a principled defense or application of this position by the people you're sticking up for--the ire here is with trans people (and minorities) and the interest in fairness is not real. even in your understanding of reality you admit this is overwhelmingly done in bad faith and without consistency!

[–] blackhole@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not going to try to defend Republicans, because I disagree with them on basically everything.

But I'm not disagreeing about reality, I'm disagreeing about opinion.

Here is my opinion. If you have an advantage in a sport due to something genetically natural about you, and you went through puberty as the same gender as the sport your competing in. I'm fine with that.

If you have an advantage in a sport and went through puberty as a different gender than the class your competing in, I'm not ok with that.

There is no fact or no fact there. It's an opinion. One that I'm entitled to have. And one that you need to be able to hear, without the need to silence me or delete my comments. Because people should be allowed to have a different opinion then you.

We can argue about the merits of our opinion, but you can't say I'm not congruent with reality, or however else you want to try to downplay my opinion.