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I know perfectly well the laws of your country, and that the links I originally posted apply to the UK. My comments were about principles, rather than the specifics of US law, which again could apply to the US.
Google is quite wilfully recommending certain things that increase engagement, they're metric-ed up the eye balls. Facebook has internal documents that clearly state they know they're actively promoting harmful content.
He was not jailed, he was fined and it was for saying things “antisemitic and racist in nature”. The link has some of the things he said that are clearly not so innocuous as you seem to portray given the rise of the right wing. The whole "it's a joke" defence is also pretty well documented as a modern phenomena of the right wing.
You are misinformed and if you have any sympathies for that guy, you have the wrong priorities at best, or at worst are resorting to the usual alt right talking points.
As a matter of principle, you're right on one account, which is that I do not place the ultimate value on freedom of speech. The fact that American companies have a strangle hold over the public sphere and the dynamics of speech is problematic.
So absolutely has no value in this discussion, thanks for clarifying.
I didn't click this link, because I don't really care. My father was Jewish, and he could say all Jewish people should be killed and I still would say he doesn't deserve to be put in jail. Sorry, your outrage doesn't override the first amendment. It's not "It's a joke" defense.. it's "There's freedom of speech". Hard stop. Are their limitations to it? Sure, but I'm pretty sure he's not hitting those bars.
No you're talking about "Principles" which means you're in the wrong topic and the wrong discussion. And you're not misinformed, but willfully ignoring the reality of the situation. Maybe you're angry you're not right and you're trying to defend your position, but here's the thing, your position doesn't matter, the law matters... And no one is keeping score, so it's ok, you're wrong here, just stop making up shit.
I always love this point. "If you don't agree with me, you're the enemy." I guess the ACLU is the Alt-Right, as is any lawyer who defends someone charged with saying something that hurt someone's feelings.
As for "priorities". If you think freedom of speech isn't important, let's think about that. It's great right now, Nazi's can't say shit, you can say anything you want to them. But what's that, a future where someone you don't like is in power, and suddenly you can't say anything and some party (potentially Nazis) can.... Oh shit, well maybe Freedom of Speech IS actually important.
I'll repeat this again, "principles" don't matter, laws do.
That's fine, but we're all talking about an American case, let's focus on American laws, and not "What dublet feel is right".
This is the last time I'm responding to you because you've made it clear you're talking about the world according you. I live in a real place, with actual laws, where this case is taking place. It's called the United States of America. It doesn't matter where you live, it doesn't matter what laws apply to you. We're talking about a specific place and specific laws. When you want to talk about those laws... well find someone else because you've already wasted enough of my time, but until you focus on how the world actually works, really no one should waste their time discussing your version of the law... because it has no basis in reality.
Roseanne Barr is jewish and recently denied the holocaust but also said that it should have happened.
Sure we're not gonna put her in jail but she's a guaranteed laughing stock and everyone knows it.
She straight up wrecked her career with that kind of thinking.
You don't have to go to jail for everyone to hate you for what you are. Have fun not being in jail lol
This is true, but public reaction isn't the same as government intervention. People are accountable for their actions to others. The government can't limit speech but businesses can limit speech on their premises, and individuals can hold people accountable.
That saying Rosanne fucked herself years earlier with the "Ambien tweet" and that was decades after pissing off everyone while grabbing her crotch when singing the national anthem. She's had a lot of controversies. The fact she even had a platform to say something about the holocaust is insane, considering her career was toast after the Ambien thing. Which kind of sucks for her because the Conners are still going strong.
I mean I don't even care about government intervention. My point was you don't need to be put in jail for being a bad person.
If you're a bad person- you'll get treated as such.