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‘Everything you’ve been told is a lie!’ Inside the wellness-to-fascism pipeline
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 14 Aug 2023
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Antifascism? I hope?
You'd think so, but I knew a guy
It's complicated because some antifa are just a different bunch of mindless tribalists.
It really depends if you ended up antifa for social reasons (mainly being part of something) or for having thinked a lot about what are your principles and politics and figured out that haters have to be stopped early, before they get to the stage were they're hurting lots of people - the latter kind will likely also spot hate replacing reason in themselves and thus stop it before they hurt somebody who might very well be innocent.
Sadly a fraction of self-proclaimed antifa are just another hater mob, just raging against different groups of people than the fascists, which is how you end up with things like cruxifiction-by-social-media against people for the sin of not treating slogans as Sacred Truth.
I like the antifa who go up and punch people saying horrible shit - I feel like getting punched is a fair reaction to calling for genocide. It's visceral, it makes a point, and the guy on stage probably deserves to be hit.
I don't like the ones that try to police the Internet and exclude anyone with extreme views. Engaging people like that is the only way to make them less extreme. Isolating them only shows them their only companionship will be through their little cults
I support strongly free speech, I just think sometimes getting punched is a fair response
Tolerating people like that is the best way to let them chip away at and destroy a decent tolerant society.
Not tolerate - engage.
You challenge them, maybe just tell them what they're saying is wrong, ideally you gently prod them to acknowledge conflicts in their ideology.
We have to offer them a path back to acceptance or they'll always be on the other side, ever growing in number
They are only "ever growing in number" because we allow them a platform to spread their nonsense.
Yeah, I think the same.
As I see it, when one decides that the Rules Of Society shouldn't limit their own words and actions towards others, its only fair that the Rules Of Society also don't protect them from the words and actions of others towards them - "live by the sword, die by the sword" and all that.
Ironically, antifa is fascism. Its like they lack self awareness.
Well, go down the list of what makes fascism fascism, and they meet like 80 to 100% of them, depending on what list you use.