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What are the most mindblowing things in mathematics?
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What concepts or facts do you know from math that is mind blowing, awesome, or simply fascinating?
Here are some I would like to share:
- Gödel's incompleteness theorems: There are some problems in math so difficult that it can never be solved no matter how much time you put into it.
- Halting problem: It is impossible to write a program that can figure out whether or not any input program loops forever or finishes running. (Undecidablity)
The Busy Beaver function
Now this is the mind blowing one. What is the largest non-infinite number you know? Graham's Number? TREE(3)? TREE(TREE(3))? This one will beat it easily.
- The Busy Beaver function produces the fastest growing number that is theoretically possible. These numbers are so large we don't even know if you can compute the function to get the value even with an infinitely powerful PC.
- In fact, just the mere act of being able to compute the value would mean solving the hardest problems in mathematics.
- Σ(1) = 1
- Σ(4) = 13
- Σ(6) > 10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10^10 (10s are stacked on each other)
- Σ(17) > Graham's Number
- Σ(27) If you can compute this function the Goldbach conjecture is false.
- Σ(744) If you can compute this function the Riemann hypothesis is false.
Sources:
- YouTube - The Busy Beaver function by Mutual Information
- YouTube - Gödel's incompleteness Theorem by Veritasium
- YouTube - Halting Problem by Computerphile
- YouTube - Graham's Number by Numberphile
- YouTube - TREE(3) by Numberphile
- Wikipedia - Gödel's incompleteness theorems
- Wikipedia - Halting Problem
- Wikipedia - Busy Beaver
- Wikipedia - Riemann hypothesis
- Wikipedia - Goldbach's conjecture
- Wikipedia - Millennium Prize Problems - $1,000,000 Reward for a solution
Nonsense! I can blow both your minds without a single proof or mathematical symbol, observe!
There are different sizes of infinity.
Think of integers, or whole numbers; 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and so on. How many are there? Infinite, you can always add one to your previous number.
Now take odd numbers; 1, 3, 5, 7, and so on. How many are there? Again, infinite because you just add 2 to the previous odd number and get a new odd number.
Both of these are infinite, but the set of numbers containing odd numbers is by definition smaller than the set of numbers containing all integers, because it doesn't have the even numbers.
But they are both still infinite.
Your fact is correct, but the mind-blowing thing about infinite sets is that they go against intuition.
Even if one might think that the number of odd numbers is strictly less than the number of all natural numbers, these two sets are in fact of the same size. With the mapping n |-> 2*n - 1 you can map each natural number to a different odd number and you get every odd number with this (such a function is called a bijection), so the sets are per definition of the same size.
To get really different "infinities", compare the natural numbers to the real numbers. Here you can't create a map which gets you all real numbers, so there are "more of them".
I may be wrong or have misunderstood what you said but the sets of natural numbers and odd numbers have the same size/cardinality. If there exists a bijection between the two sets then they have the same size.
f(x) = 2x + 1 is such a bijection
For the same reason, N, Z and Q have the same cardinality. The fact that each one is included in the next ones doesn't mean their size is different.
Agree. Uncountable infinities are much more mind blowing. It was an interesting journey realising first that everything like time and distance are continuous when learning math the then realising they're not when learning physics.
This is provably false - the two sets are the same size. If you take the set of all integers, and then double each number and subtract one, you get the set of odd numbers. Since you haven't removed or added any elements to the initial set, the two sets have the same size.
The size of this set was named Aleph-zero by Cantor.