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[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Izgil is now a film producer at Radio Free Asia

Is there not a single source that doesn't come from the CIA backed propaganda outlet about Xinjiang?

[–] mim@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love when tankies question the reliability of the witnesses, and then with the same breath post something from the Pyongyang Times.

I personally am not a tankie at all. And I share no delusions about the supposed virtues of the USSR or think China is at all run by decent people. I also think the ethnic cleansing in Xinxiang is happening. But Radio Free Asia is literally an arm of the state department and the original RFA was actually run by the CIA until it was remade by Clinton.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I don't like to use ad hominem when it comes to news, I generally read Western sources and other sources because everything has a bias, you need to recognize which bias is portraying and disect the information. Regardless, RFA is literally an organ to spread anticommunist propaganda that simply "disbanded" from its origins in order to clean its name, but in reality it is still part of the propaganda organ of the US. It is not something that could have interests shared by the US but something that literally wouldn't mind lying blatantly just to cause dissent with enemies of the West.

Or are you telling me you seriously believe Yeonmi Park and that North Koreans push their trains?

By all means please, if what China is doing is as the West portrays it, please, I would really like to be a diplomatic solution to it, but find actual evidence that doesn't come from a CIA outlet or Adrian "The Nazis were victims of communism" Zenz.

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't like to read? No problem. Here is another source not backed by CIA: Video interview with Abdul Tursuntohti, imprisoned in Xinjiang.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

Again, CGTN is funded by the Chinese government and it is pro CPC, this video shows an incarcerated individual and it portrays their extremists beliefs and what such beliefs could lead to. "I will kill my own son".

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From your source:

iv. Declarations of Genocide and Pushback (Jan 2021-Present)

➤ 2021 January 19 - On the last day of the Trump administration, Secretary of State Pompeo labels China’s de-radicalization and economic development programs in Xinjiang as “genocide” and “crimes against humanity,” seemingly unaware of China’s extensive pandemic relief efforts serving the very people of Xinjiang supposedly facing “genocide” as opposed to the United States’ mass death disproportionately burdening indigenous and people of color brought about by negligent policies.

Biden’s Secretary of State pick Tony Blinken concurred with Pompeo’s assessment during his confirmation hearing, dispelling any doubts as to the continuing imperialist ambitions and Balkanization fantasies the United States still possesses vis-a-vis China.

Pompeo’s allegations inspire many people of Xinjiang to submit written and video responses rebuking Pompeo’s accusations.

➤ 2021 January 26 - Mainichi reports that a senior official of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan reported to a meeting of the foreign affairs division of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party that it did not agree the situation in Xinjiang constituted “genocide”. In response to a member of LDP calling the assessment “weak”, the official asserted that “Retrogressive ‘criticisms’ of human rights are not effective. It is more proper to cooperate with the relevant countries.” This is a surprising break from the United States line on the part of Japan, which has been otherwise a consistent critic of China’s Xinjiang policies and an eager participant in the U.S. “QUAD”. (See Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesperson’s response)

And it goes on.

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And it goes on.

Then read on.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you please illuminate me on which minuscule part of the article proves your point? Because all it's doing is listing information about the case and mentioning that a couple of countries in the imperial Western core deem it as so.

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never tried to make a point. You asked for a

single source that doesn't come from the CIA backed propaganda outlet about Xinjiang?

I simply provided a link to what you asked for.

[–] gary_host_laptop@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 year ago

Okay, I will put it simply because I don't know what you're trying to do. Qiao Collective is a pro CPC group that denies such thing as Uygur genocide is going on, if you read the article, and I highly recommend you to do, it explains how most probably extremist Islamists groups were funded in the region and a series of terrorists attack took place, and that what the Chinese government did was to imprison certain sectors of the population that where linked to such extremists groups, re-educated in order to leave their extremism behind. It also goes on on how most of the countries on Earth except the West deny such thing happening, and how the Muslim world also denies such acts. If anything, your source further proves my point.