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There's definitely other life out there, but given a basic understanding of space and light speed travel, there is a zero chance we've made contact with non Earth life. The government has a direct benefit in claiming aliens or UFOs when testing their super military tech so our enemies are mislead on our militaries capabilities.
Like when trump posted a classified satellite image. Our population and all other governments had no idea we were capable of such clear satellite surveillance.
On the contrary, I'd recommend looking up the Fermi paradox. It exists because if we assume that ftl is impossible, both in a literal and effective sense, a civilization with the capability of long-range subluminal travel would still have the ability to colonize the galaxy within a few million years.
Now, you might be tempted to think, "okay, so a few million years from now is when we'll start seeing them", but that's assuming they took as long as we did to evolve intelligence. If I'm not mistaken, there's some speculation that dinosaurs were a significant contributor to delaying the rise of mammals, and those were around for over 100 million years. What if a civilization skipped the "oppressed by giant lizard-birds" stage? The result is that they'd potentially be millions of years ahead of us technologically.
Also, because I regularly see this question pop up in any conversation involving aliens,
"why would they come to our world? They've probably got everything they want!"
Why does a human want to explore the ocean? Why does a human want to explore space? Curiosity. Maybe they want to see it for themselves instead of looking at pictures that their friends posted on Spacebook. Maybe we're small and adorable to them. There are plenty of reasons why they might check our world out that don't involve conquest, genocide, slavery or other symptoms of rampant capitalism and authoritarianism.
Why would they send a probe to inspect ships from a visible distance? They could fulfill all their curiosity from lightyears away
The Fermi Paradox is based on our understanding of physics, largely based in a 3 dimensional universe/reality. If these things are inter-dimensional, do those same rules apply?
What if physical distance, as we perceive it, is something unique to us as beings that perceive and navigate the universe in only 3 dimensions?
Swarms of von Neumann probes traveling at 0.1c would cover the galaxy in a very short timeframe...in galactic terms.
It also makes zero sense to test craft in a navy training range.
What would the point of that be? Just because something is possible doesn't mean it'll be done.
And do probes flying around in navy training ranges make sense? If they wanted to be visible they would be. If they wanted to hide there wouldn't be footage of them.
its kind of neet because soon we will liter the galaxy and then we wait
I still vote we are some sort of experiment for aliens to observe, and have been under the microscope as they watched us evolve from primal creatures to the death of the world as we advance with our destructive technologies.
One thing that doesn't sit right with me is the fact that galaxies cluster together in similar ways that neurons do. Reminds me of how individual ants are just one cog in a collective hivemind. We're all just ants doing our part to power a giant alien's brain.
At least that's the answer to life, the universe, and everything that I'm going with. It also explains multiverses. Multiple aliens, all living in their own society. Maybe their universe is the same. Just brains inside of brains inside of brains. Who knows how deep it goes.
Galaxy's cluster together because of dark matter, all the baryon matter in the universe follows the dark matter which for some reason forms thise strings.
Go watch some PBS spacetime for more info... And a headache.
Personally my money's on we're one of the first, or our solar system is the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone of the galaxy and anybody who gets too close melts.
They technically are UFOs. They are objects, they fly, and they are unidentified.
They're not really unidentified. Someone knows what they are, just not us.
That logic would apply to alien spaceships too though
Yeah! Because heavier than air flight is impossible, and there's no way aliens could hold enough helium to fly to another planet!
(Our ideas about what is possible change as our technology advances)
People tend to misapply this argument frequently. It is definitely a bit excessive to say there is zero chance, but still.
It's less about what is possible, and more about what is likely. Our understanding of physics (and by extension, reality) is extremely advanced. There isn't much that is going to surprise us going forward. Even relativity and quantum theory didn't make Newtonian mechanics obsolete, they simply covered the fringe cases.
I just hate when people imply that we might suddenly learn that we were completely wrong about everything. It's dismissive of the scientists who have given their lives to bring humanity to this level of understanding the universe.
I think when people imply we might suddenly learn that we were completely wrong about everything they are actually talking about how fast science seems to evolve these days, at the very least the public's understanding of science.
I have coworkers with who i can talk about 3+ dimensions, quantum mechanics, time travel, uap and while none of us are experts in any of those fields it no longer feels like we should be wearing a tinfoil hat simply for being fascinated by such topics because we now understand these are real (nuanced) scientific topics and not "something from the movies".
Ufology, at least what we saw in Congress recently, is not remotely in the same boat as quantum, higher level dimensions, or time travel in terms of being a real scientific topic.
The other stuff I've all heard discussed seriously by actual non crackpot employed physicists.
Who’s to say that? The people testifying said themselves they are open minded to these other explanations, they coined the terms higher dimensional and quantum mechanics.
At this point with what we know a uap can be super Secret human tech. A propaganda lie, Aliens, an, hidden advanced intelligence co existing on our planet. A 4d dimensional something going trough our space, timetravelers,.. there is nothing scientific said about their nature or theyd be identifief objects.
I think I must be completely missing what you're trying to say.
Quantum mechanics came out of conversations related to Planck's proposed resolution of the Ultraviolet Catastrophe, the term was not just coined by a crackpot in a Congressional hearing.
It's okay to be 'wrong' in science within the observable world, much of Newton's theories were rendered nearly obsolete by Einstein, but Newtonian physics was "good enough" until technology improved, and was "good enough" for most of his generation and later:
"While general relativity has been more precise, Newtonian gravity is still incredibly accurate and can be used for simpler situations. General relativity uses complex calculus that makes it difficult to compute. But Einstein has opened up the world to more complex physics, like black holes and gravitational waves that continue to develop our understanding of the universe. " https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/educators/programs/cosmictimes/educators/workshops/docs/InquiringIntoNatureUniverse/Newton_Einstein_FactCards.pdf
Epistemology allows for us to work within the framework of knowledge we currently have until something better is proven to be the case.
It's happened before
Well, cutting edge science currently suggests spacetime is an illusion, so I think antireal science might have some interesting places to go as far as FTL travel. But we don't need FTL travel to talk to new forms of life, because there are sentient nonhuman species on Earth, and they speak English.
True, I am right here.
Who taught dolphins English ?
They've been singing about how grateful they are for all the fish.
If an alien civilization was developed by the same survival mechanism as on earth, they'd value survival and expansion over things like discovery. So if an alien civilization had gotten to earth, it'd be advanced enough to have strip minded or taraformed the whole planet by now. And why wouldn't they, since we'd be the intelligence of ants comparatively
Why would they strip mine earth when there are so many other planets around? There's no point
Well I'm a Star Trek fan, and I'm optimistic that maybe the community between the stars is less narrow minded than the people on Earth today
Maybe climate change is the reason why. It's a great filter that requires long term thinking and global cooperation to overcome. Maybe all the species similar to modern humanity end up polluting themselves back to the stone age and have to try again.
It’s probably not the only Filter either. As soon as we’ve passed the ‘climate’ filter, we’ll presumably have to deal with something else.
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I still believe that the image being posted was 100% planned by the powers to be to show we have the ability to do it.
In the intelligence field this is known as a bad move.
In the intelligence field the game is usually about obfuscation and distraction.
bruh you can use an old DishNetwork and a cyberdeck to download those satellites images directly from the comfort of your home. also wierd satellite stationz
secrecy by obscurity of knowledge i believe it is called
From classified spy satellites? No shot. Unclassified stuff maybe, or civilian satellites. But anything military and/or classified is going to be encrypted, so unless you know the key you may be able to intercept the data but not make an image.
Nah, you can get images from weather satellites this way, they broadcast unencrypted/with old encryption that has been broken.
Ain't nobody getting a feed from a modern GIS sat, let alone an actual spy sat.
Do you have any links for this? That sounds fascinating but my Google fu is failing me right now.
Check out r/amateursatellites/ on reddit (sorry, I'm a refugee and unaware if similar exists in the fediverse yet), there are whole communities of people out there who listen to weather sats with antennas in their backyards, it's fascinating.