Men's Liberation
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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
Related Communities
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!askmen@lemmy.world
!mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world
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What alternative would you suggest? If they cannot hold them to a higher standard in fear of them lying about it, then how would you approach this sort of restructuring of the police with high quality cops?
If we just say it'll be a slow process, and we have to change how we hire, how will that actually be put into practice? Would the current police not fight to maintain their privilege? Instead of lying and covering up Mal practice, they would do the same in their hiring practices.
The only option to it in my view IS to hold them to a higher standard, and the attempts by the public to hold them to a higher standard IS the citizenry demanding a better PD.
The alternatives implied by my post:
I didn't mention it, but I also think that regular screening for steroids and similar might help rein in the most aggressive LEOs.
A normal standard would be an improvement; once they get there maybe we reevaluate holding them to a higher standard -- I'm open to that discussion.
We start to hire differently, and the force changes over time.
I disagree. If the basketball team can't jump 3ft vertically then moving the standard to 6ft isn't going to make them jump any higher or improve their playing. It's reform theater. wishful thinking.
While I have described a gradualist approach in response to your question, IMO the radical/sudden approach would be to do away with QI. Cops might be less willing to murder the citizenry if it actually blew back on them a little. The overwhelming bulk of all judgements against cops in the US are paid by the municipality. Not a great incentive for the officer to behave better.
Same for prosecutors, who have and even more egregious form of immunity. Don't get me started....