Anyway, what you're describing is liberalism and neo liberalism, and both serve the status quo and enable fascism, hence are garbage. You simply can't claim to care about the welfare and wellbeing of people while supporting the systems that need to destroy and exploit that welfare and wellbeing to exist.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/

https://blacklikemao.medium.com/how-liberalism-helps-fascism-d4dbdcb199d9

https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/

https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/

[–] average650@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That would be one possible position, but that is not what is espoused by the link I gave. " You simply can’t claim to care about the welfare and wellbeing of people while supporting the systems that need to destroy and exploit that welfare and wellbeing to exist." They explicitly don't want to do this but want to build those systems up.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They explicitly don’t want to do this but want to build those systems up.

My point exactly - they uphold and maintain the status quo that is oppressing and killing millions if not billions for the benefit of a few hundred people.
Anyone who not only supports those systems, but wants to make them stronger, cannot, sincerely anyway, claim to care about the welfare and wellbeing of anyone but themselves and the oppressors whose boots they lick.

[–] average650@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry, I misread what you wrong and thus was very unclear. My mistake.

They explicitly support "a universal healthcare system as well as an economy containing widespread distribution of productive property, in particular increased worker ownership and management of their production." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Solidarity_Party

If you view that as supporting the status quo, then I don't think I understand your position.

[–] DessertStorms@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My position (well, the reality) is that it doesn't matter if you support workers rights if you're also opposed to some people's human rights, and that it is literally impossible to support universal healthcare while opposing abortion. The Nazis called themselves socialists and were all for (some) workers rights, that doesn't make them leftist, on anything.

There is no such thing as socially one way (left/right) and economically the other since the two (social and economical) are inextricably linked, and being conservative on one automatically means you are a hindrance (at best) to progress on the other.

Anyone who tells themselves otherwise is just doing mental gymnastics to defend their cognitive dissonance, while serving those at the top, who are known to co-opt leftist ideas to get in to power.