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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yes the Dems should have got some gop votes. It may have made the bill slightly worse, but not by much.

...and...

Getting 95% of the ACA and a Congress that wasn’t deadlocked for the next 6 years would have been much better overall.

The GOP were looking to deny any Obama passage of positive legislation. Are you not remembering "make him a one term President" message from the GOP?

There was ZERO amount of cooperate the GOP were willing to have on any bill that would give Obama a healthcare win.

A split government that functioned more like under Clinton or Bush would have been much better than what ended up happening. The decision to stonewall when they had power unsurprisingly backfired.

"make him a one term President"

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

There's always rhetoric, but completely shutting out the opposition for major legislation was just not done.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

There’s always rhetoric, but completely shutting out the opposition for major legislation was just not done.

History doesn't support your statement.

Feel free to show me legislation that was later signed during the first quarter of the Obama administration that wasn't passed on nearly party lines. I took a look and couldn't find any.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

There wasn't any, because of the move to block Republicans from the ACA. It's just like when the Democrats used the nuclear option for judges, it also bit them in the ass the second they were the minority party.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

There wasn’t any, because of the move to block Republicans from the ACA.

Wait, are you saying the the GOP only after the ACA passing on Democrat party line vote decided they would vote party line for every substantive legislative action?

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yes that was the original point. The ACA was the beginning of the extreme partisanship we've seen. It wouldn't be sunshine and rainbows if they had got some republicans on board, but it would have been less partisan.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The ACA was signed over a year after Obama had been in office. You should look at signed legislation from before the ACA. The hard GOP opposition was already there well before the ACA.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 hour ago

The negotiation started almost immediately though and the Republicans were told to fuck off. It was introduced in September of his first year, there wasn't anything else major in those first 8 months.