The moment the Democrats lost the election was the one when Harris was asked what she would do differently than Biden and her answer was basically "nothing". If you ever run for president and are asked that question, just pick something at random and say "Biden does not enough for X. I would make sure that X would be a priority issue!"

This level of stupidity is not the voter's (or non-voter's) fault. Dems made their bed rock and now everyone has to lie in it.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The mistakes of the Harris campaign are not the fault of the non-voters.

The fact that voters didn't turn out to vote against literal and clearly fucking stated fascism is the fault of the non-voters.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Exactly. I don’t care how ineffective the not fascists are. Both sides should have done better

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly. Nonvoters didn't vote against insane evil, that is fully on them no matter how they spin it.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

'Vote for me or you are a bad person' doesn't sell, never has. Democrats had a wakeup call 8 years ago and let it pass them by. Hopefully they take it this time and strengthen the party and candidates.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 12 hours ago

irrelevant… you shouldn’t need to sell “not fascism”

being a fucking shit campaign is the dems fault

choosing not to vote against literal fascism remains the fault of those people who did not vote

responsibility can be shared; the world is not black and white or pure good and evil

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Dude listen to yourself .

Harris was literally up against a fucking emperor wannabe who already fucked the countey in incredibly short order, backed by a batshit party openly admitting they wanted to implement project 2025.

This is not a situation where you go "hmm, well she didn't quite tickle my balls enough, so I guess i'll let the fascists win". And if you do, you are complicit. You got the chance to stand up and instead you shoved your head up your own arse

[–] astropenguin5@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You also underestimate the stupidity of the average voter/person. Most people vote on vibes, not policy, and don't pay that much actual attention to politics.

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 1 points 23 hours ago

The US reached the "bread and circuses" stage of politics a decade or so ago. Once the population figures out it can vote itself money (or the promise of money) it's all over.

Look at the campaign promises of the incoming president. "More for you, not them", sums it up. The problem is that everyone hopes they are the "you" in that offer.

[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Society is in a rotten state. People don't care about others or others' rights, they only care about themselves in the depraved delusion that one day they will have "made it". Look back 4 years ago when people were too selfish to cut out their weekend binge drinking or simply wearing a mask to protect others (and themselves). Introspection, empathy, consideration, those are gone, it's all about self-worth, "confidence" (god how I hate that word) and self-respect to push the inevitable realization that what one is doing is unsustainable and damaging to everyone else far, far back into the future.

I don't know why you take so much offense that I wrote that it doesn't surprise me one bit that a fascist is elected over someone who people are sure to not benefit from. The 40 users of lemmy who show respect and care are not representative to society as a whole from what I've seen.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 3 points 23 hours ago

Worth pointing out this is highly dependant on where you live.

This is not universal

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The non-voters tacitly agreed to let fascism happen. I totally get that people weren't happy about voting for Harris, I certainly wouldn't have been. But if I have choice between a carbuncle on my ass on the one hand, and AIDS, Ebola, testicle cancer and leprosy combined on the other hand, the choice is easy.

[–] Minarble@aussie.zone 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

But what if the candidate denied he had leprosy?

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 1 points 12 hours ago

well shit i guess we better ignore all those obvious symptoms of leprosy in that case… obviously it was just joking