this post was submitted on 15 Nov 2024
219 points (88.7% liked)
Gauchiasses
450 readers
269 users here now
Nous sommes
Nous ne sommes
Mais le plus important
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
If anything, most leftists tuned down their criticism of the Biden/Harris administration in the few past months leading to the election, especially since Harris was announced as replacement. Critique of USA letting the Gaza genocide happen was absolutely going on strong all the way since Israel started bombing hospitals in retaliation for October 7, and critique of Biden's capitulation to the right on the border issue was going strong ever since Texas started putting barbed wire in water crossings and Biden decided he'd rather double down on xenophobia and "strong border" instead of dismantling the lies from the right. I would say the critique got strongest when those protests on campuses happened and the government started to crack down on dissidents and banning people for being against Israel. To be fair, with the critique also came some praise, since Biden's administration did some neat things for working class, and when Minnesota democrats won the slim majority and started voting as united block to put in place progressive legislation they were celebrated by the internet left as the example to follow... Which also was a critique of the federal dems, who failed to act that way.
I'd wager you just tuned that out and it only started to be an issue to you, once the elections got closer. The left got ignored for the entire 4 years, despite ceaselessly clamoring about changes that need to happen, and now they got singled out as the reason why dems lost. Also, what was mostly critiqued wasn't the government to be, but the campaign messaging, which absolutely could have been changed for more persuasive instead of borderline threatening and legitimizing the lies of the GOP. It was a shitty campaign, and Dems should have course corrected instead of, well, losing.
Your original point was that it was somehow the left that failed to show up for elections, and you put blame on them for dems losing. Now you switched gear to claiming that there was some conspiracy from the left to spread anti-harris propaganda, to get Trump to win, which is completely nonsensical keeping in mind what goals the left in USA has. Unless that's what you're suggesting, that the left united with the right to bring down the center, or something like that? I'd love to hear how you think that came down. And following that logic, I guess you'd want Dems to "cut ties" with the left even further and look for allies on the right? Because if so, it would be picture perfect example of what the post depicts, and it would be very funny if not for being very tragic.
There is also the issue of Jill Stein and her army of bots, but I feel like it would be too much of an undeserved insult to you to assume you think those people were from the left and not from the right. She was an obvious spoiler candidate put forward by GOP, I've never heard any praise of her in the leftist media bubble. Trump did praise her, Cornell West and RFK though, and she did pop up relatively recently, as she does every 4 years when it's time to promote a book and fall of democracy. It would be a failure of basic political literacy to consider her as anything else than a right wing spoiler candidate, especially after almost 4 years of silence from her side, so I'm just getting that out of the way unless you want to challenge that point in some way for some reason.
Paragraph 1: regarding Gaza, leading up to these election “leftists” on lemmy, especially from lemmy.ml we’re promoting this as a reason to not vote or vote 3rd party. Both options lead to a win for Trump.
Same situation for the border response. With both topics things are worse under Trump proving they were bad faith arguments.
“Dismantling lies”? You realize the people spreading these lies don’t believe in things like climate change, vaccines, etc (ie reality).
Paragraph 2: I didn’t tune it out. You’re pretending that the verbiage didn’t change to ‘don’t vote/vote 3rd party because of this’. Which is a winning situation for Trump. Proving they were said in bad faith.
For you to blame a “shitty campaign” on the loss is to ignore billionaires buying votes, foreign bots campaigning in favor of Trump and a republican propaganda machine that can convince half the population that reality is fake news.
Not to mention it is no different than someone watching a professional sporting event. Waiting till a team wins and then giving their armchair analysis based on the results even though they could never compete at that level. AKA Confirmation bias
Paragraph 3: the anti Harris talking points leading up to the election were posted the primarily in lemmy.ml. Rather than get into a debate about what that signifies I will let the consensus about who populates lemmy.ml speak for itself. Pointing out again that not voting for Harris or voting 3rd party benefits Trump and anyone who prefers him as president.
Paragraph 4: see my response to paragraph 3