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Seems like no matter what the movie was like, it was never going to be for conservative men. Seems like a waste to dwell on it.
I think the fact that a lot of conservative men feel the need to be a part of or have an opinion on everything is not unrelated.
Of course it's related. It's a tautology. Conservatives wouldn't be conservative if they didn't fear everything and hate everyone. It's all they have.
Huh. You feel that way about orthodox Jews and Chinese Confucians, huh?
I probably wouldn't say something like that about those conservative groups, but I guess I should really just be more open minded about such things.
What you’re trying to imply is that criticism of a Jewish culture is dangerous because others will claim it is inherently anti-Semitic. Those people are wrong and to be ignored: a deeply held religious and or cultural belief is not immune to criticism, and when it causes and encourages harm it deserves criticism.
To be open minded within this context is to be welcome to learning of how different attitudes and approaches to life can make things better beyond your personal upbringing. It means take the good whether or not it’s borne of your soil. It does not mean wide-eyed cultural relativism, regardless of what you think.
Orthodox Jews and confucian Chinese are both deeply conservative because those ideologies are deeply conservative. I chose them because most people wouldn't say such a hateful thing about those two groups since they're not what you typically imagine when someone says "conservative".
The juxtaposition of attaching the original writers hateful generalization with communities with a history of being oppressed and the statement that I will try to be more open minded is supposed to be ironic, like "I'll be more open minded in the future and remember that Orthodox Jews fear everything and hate everything"
Then you must not have been to New York, because that’s definitely known as a conservative, insular group.
A history of oppression does not negate one’s own. Or is a Jewish woman whose movements are controlled and constrained by the men in her community who say a pray of thanks that they were not born women not to be considered because her great aunts died in pogroms?
History is a guide. It is not a cosmic score.
So you do agree with the statement "Orthodox Jews fear everything and hate everything” then, and you stand by that.
That's fine.
Have you ever read Confucius? He's the very definition of blinkered conservatism. The guy thought the first emperors were morally pure.
Absolutely, extremely conservative, and it predates Christianity by hundreds of years. But are we going to say they fear and hate everything? I have a sneaking suspicion that the statement was only intended to be referring to White American religious conservatives. The world is a big big place. Broad generalizations apply broadly and can have connotations that aren't intended.
All religions are partly based on fear. Doesn't matter if it's orthodox Jews, orthodox Christians or orthodox Muslims or any other religion.
Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with being fearful. It might even be a valid approach to life in many ways.
However it does become a problem when it turns political. That's the moment when fear turns to hate.
This topic is about conservative politics. And my comment is on conservative politics. Not American Republicans, but conservative politics in general. The problem of hateful conservative politics is present everywhere in Europe and probably everywhere world wide regardless of religion. I find it quite disgusting that conservative politicians are abusing the religious fears to fuel their own hate.
All religions are also about peace, acceptance, love and respect. None of which are present in conservative politic.
You're spot on. When you're used to being the focus of essentially every part of society, progress toward equality feels like oppression.