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[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (15 children)

Yes and the swastika is the symbol of well-being

[–] Aksamit 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (8 children)

Not to detract from this guy likely yes being a massive nazi piece of shit-

-but many deeply religious Polish Catholics who lived through WW2 and the atrocities, had (maybe still have, idk all my grandparents and aunties who did are now dead) Jerusalem crosses on their walls, usually displayed alongside their many JP2 pictures, crucifixes and black madonna's.

Also not to say that many of these Polish Catholics weren't also massive racists, but I'm pretty sure the Jerusalem crosses they displayed were a Catholic thing for them rather than a white supremacy thing.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (6 children)

It's been coopted by the far right for a while now. Pete is not a Polish Babushka, the symbol has a different meaning to him.

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/

Edit:

there’s specific reference to the Jerusalem Cross here. https://www.mccaininstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/white-supremacy-and-anti-government-groups-read-ahead-materials.pdf The Adl link is to look up other terms in general

White supremacist anti-Muslim narratives generally refer to Islam as an invading force that isn't just incompatible with Western society, but is also an active threat to Western society and cultural norms. In this context, white supremacists have used Crusader-themed imagery and rhetoric, like the Jerusalem Cross, the Knights Templar and "Deus Vult," as dog whistles to promote anti-Muslim hate

[–] nelly_man@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Were you linking to a specific entry in their database? The link took me to the database as a whole, and I couldn't find any mention of the Jerusalem Cross when searching it.

When searching elsewhere, I see similar results as the above commenter. There's mostly discussions of its Christian meaning and some reddit posts that argue that it's a symbol of hate due to its association with the crusades.

However, there was a different post from somebody who got a tattoo of it and was worried when people said it gave them Nazi-ish vibes. The commenters on the post assured him that it's not a white supremacist symbol, but it was probably reminding people of the Iron Cross.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Hey sorry yeah, there's specific reference to the Jerusalem Cross here. The Adl link is to look up other terms in general

White nationalist rhetoric moves quickly https://www.mccaininstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/white-supremacy-and-anti-government-groups-read-ahead-materials.pdf

Edit: corrected the link

[–] nelly_man@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

White supremacist anti-Muslim narratives generally refer to Islam as an invading force that isn't just incompatible with Western society but is also an active threat to Western society and cultural norms. In this context, white supremacists have used Crusader-themed imagery and rhetoric, like the Jerusalem Cross, the Knights Templar and "Deus Vult," as dog whistles to promote anti-Muslim hate.

Ah yes, there it is. That does seem to correlate with one of the reddit posts that I saw, but they didn't seem to agree that this symbol had been adopted by contemporary hate groups. They merely indicated that it is controversial due to its association with the crusades. However, that lack of understanding outside of hate groups is the point of using these historical symbols as dog-whistles.

[–] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Yes this is how dog-whistles work. If you want more context you can check out what the SPLC and Unicorn Riot have been up to

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2024/08/19/we-will-fight-soldier-waging-war-against-america-fort-liberty

There's also a network of folk in WP and Nationalist discord and truth social etc. that are collecting and reporting megadata to the authorities. Which is difficult as the FBI often do nothing unless there's CSAM or other pedo shit going on.

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