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Indiana ban on gender transition treatment for minors upheld by U.S. appeals court
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Cool, more teen suicides. Probably even pre-teens.
Less teens to get shot at school!
Until suicidal trans boys start acting like suicidal cis boys
I think this one is more difficult than it sounds.
You are asking if someone should have the right to make a life long decision, before they have matured enough to make a life long decision. Tie that in with parents who can both have their child's best interests at heart, or their own preconceived religion and views on it and there is no wide reaching decision that is best for everyone.
Saying that, they would have said no regardless of the discussions and best interests of the individual. These discussions need to be had, but ~~quietly~~ pretty fucking confident they won't happen in the next 4 years.
Sure, there's some tough discussions to be had, but puberty blocker access is pretty damn straightforward to anyone who has actually researched it for 30 seconds or more. Plus, minor healthcare requires parental consent. Maybe some conversations are required. If they are, we better fucking defer to the parents in the meantime.
And idk I think I trust doctors, psychologists, and the affected more than lawyers
The problem is that, in this situation, no decision IS a decision.
Up until puberty, boys and girls are quite similar. It's puberty that causes the lifelong changes. We already know that delaying puberty doesn't cause long-term issues. Puberty blockers are used to treat or help with other conditions. By blocking puberty, you are buying time. Time for the child to mature. Time for phycologists to assess. Time to practice the role before locking it in permanently. Time to grow, learn, and make the very decision you are talking about.
Puberty blockers are reversible - that's not a lifelong decision. That information should have been in the article, and if we didn't live in a dumbshit rightwing dystopia where press is owned by the conservatives and also fears retribution from the conservatives, that information would've been in there.
Surgery? Sure, let's have that conversation - though I would certainly argue it's not the state's business what happens between a child, their parents, and their doctors, any more than it would be any other lifelong medical procedure. But it's at least a little murky. But this decision isn't surgery, it's puberty blockers. Not murky. Just evil.
Republicans just want this fact suppressed. Everywhere you look, puberty blockers are presented as bad as genital surgery. They want to make it sound scary and overly artificial, like "toxic levels of hormones to go against the grain of the natural process". This part they don't actually say out loud but it is implied. Every outlet that fails to make clear that puberty blockers is a well established intervention for cis and trans kids alike, they are part of the TERF propaganda apparatus right enough.
They also just refuse to admit that gender-affirming surgery is almost never performed on minors. When it is performed, it's often as a last resort to stop the kid from killing or maiming themselves.
And they also say nothing about
circumcision
intersex infant normalization surgeries
ongoing breast enhancement surgeries for cis girls
Republicans did not ban those, nor they did minor marriages, but I will keep to the surgery related arguments.
At the same time, puberty blockers for cis kids with precocious puberty goes on as before. They only designate the transgender use as "off-license" with unknown long term side-effects.
How the fuck gender identity is supposed to interact with the exact same drug? This is pure hokum.
But you know the problem is that only you and me will read that. Vast majority of people are spoonfed transphobic propaganda from TERFs and Xitter. It is sickening how hard it is to get those simple talk points across nowadays.
They can't even justify circumcision. Every piece of medical literature that used to claim benefits has been refuted. And no shit, we evolved foreskins for a reason.
Too late for me though.
Here, from 16:15 onward Vaush (I don't vouch for the guy BTW) disects an way earlier article poisoned with the flawed logic about puberty blockers https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=HhYruaFZEOI Just for people curious for how long this disinformation has been going on.
Puberty blockers aren't life long. Puberty is. These parents aren't trying to give their kids sex change operations. They're trying to give their kids a chance to make those decisions for themselves.
I think that teens and kids are going to kill themselves because of this regardless of how difficult you think it sounds. I was a trans teen and waiting until I was 18 caused me to attempt suicide. Sure, it was only once, but I could have succeeded if I hadn't chickened out and didn't have a therapist at the time. Maybe TMI, but these discussions need to be had, as you say.
Also, puberty blockers are reversible at any time.