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[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Those of you downvoting me, look at the vote totals for swing states in 2020 vs 2024.

Ok…
https://www.270towin.com/2020-election-results-live/
https://www.270towin.com/2024-election-results-live/

Pennsylvania 20/19
Biden* 3,458,229^ 50.0%
Harris 3,396,770 48.6%

Arizona 11
Biden* 1,672,143^ 49.4%
Harris 1,534,391 46.6%

Georgia 16
Biden* 2,474,601 49.5%
Harris 2,548,014^ 48.5%

Michigan 16/15
Biden* 2,804,040^ 50.6%
Harris 2,733,352 48.3%

Nevada 6
Biden* 703,486^ 50.1%
Harris 702,079 47.5%

North Carolina 15/16
Biden 2,684,292 48.7%
Harris 2,689,067^ 47.7%

Wisconsin 10
Biden* 1,630,503 49.6%
Harris 1,668,077^ 48.8%

  • Biden won six of the swing states. Harris won zero.
  • Compared to Trump, Biden won a higher percentage than Harris in all seven.
  • Biden got more votes in four states. Harris got more votes in three.

Totals:
Biden 3,458,229 + 1,672,143 + 2,474,601 + 2,804,040 + 703,486 + 2,684,292 + 1,630,503 ‎ = 15,427,294

Harris 3,396,770 + 1,534,391 + 2,548,014 + 2,733,352 + 702,079 + 2,689,067 + 1,668,077 ‎ = 15,271,750

15,427,294 - 15,271,750 ‎ = 155,544 more votes for Biden.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

2024 Trump turnout beat 2020 Biden turnout in the swing states. People are mad that Dems didn't turn out, but my point is that Harris did better in some of the swing states or nearly as well in the other ones, and Trump beat the 2020 numbers. It wasn't that Dems didn't turn out in these crucial states, it's that more Trump ones did. I don't know why you thought leaving Trump's votes out of your analysis was wise cause him winning was kind of the entire point.

I don't know why people are so eager to be mad at anyone other than fucking Trump voters. They actively chose this, they spoke resoundingly clear. All these excuses, all these reasons, all these scenarios. It's insanity to me. Desi Lydic nailed exactly how I'm feeling: I don't care why she lost, I care why he won.

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

First, I’m not mad at anyone.

I’m only offering you the raw data to illustrate that your initial point, as you wrote it, was incorrect. Biden did slightly better than Harris in the swing state total. Trump seemed irrelevant to your earlier point.

It seems your point should have simply been that more people voted for a Trump than Harris. And, as the numbers suggest, it’s plausible many of them had switched from Biden to Trump. So, if you want to “be mad” at anyone, it would be either Biden’s administration or Harris’ campaign.

Although, I feel it’s worth more of our time focusing on the last bit - how is it that people are so disconnected from reality that Trump was ever a consideration. How is it that practically everyone believes everything they hear or read and use it to enforce their narrative?

If I’m mad at anything, it’s boisterous claims being spread through social media without anyone caring enough to determine if the claim is true or not.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

Like that Harris lost because people didn't vote? Yeah, me too.