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NGL, not asking for a friend. Given the current trends in US politics, it seems prudent to at least look into it.

Most of the online content on the topic seems to be by immigration attorneys hustling ultra rich people. I'm not ultra rich. I have a job in tech, could work remotely, also have enough assets to not desperately need money if the cost of living were low enough.

I am a native English speaker, fluent enough in Spanish to survive in a Spanish speaking country. I am old, male, cis, hetero, basically asexual at this point. I am outgoing, comfortable among strangers.

What's good and bad about where you live? Would it be OK for a outsider, newcomer?

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[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 105 points 1 day ago (6 children)

First of all, stop using word "expat" when you're talking of immigrants but from "better countries"

[–] icogniito@lemmy.zip 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hard agree, expat as a term only exists because white people wanted to separate themselves from those they deem ”lesser immigrants”

I moved to Japan from Sweden, I only call my self an immigrant because that’s what I am

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] icogniito@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

Haha I wish, but sadly not

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 43 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Ive usually seen "Expat" defined as someone working in another country, but explicitly with the intent to be there temporarily and leave once their time at that job ends, rather than moving there with an intent to stay and join that society. Which, granted, doesnt seem to be what OP is actually talking about in this case.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What OP is talking about has been a thing since the 90s and even 80s and earlier with ex-military.

Move to a cheap country where your pension/disability/passive income/whatever makes you wealthy.

Originally places liked it because it was an influx in cash. But then it became too popular and they were gentrifying places to the point locals couldn't afford to live and these leeches never worked.

It became big again with the internet when people became able to work and American job while overseas remotely. But by now most American companies just won't pay American wages. If they wanted someone overseas they'd pay them the low wage they always do.

With those younger people they added the "temporary" because they say they'll move back someday.

What you're talking about (if the job is in that country) would be a migrant worker.

But they also don't like that label, they think they're better than it.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

I'd argue we should call all migrant workers expats. Unless they're literally working in a migratory fashion, spring here, summer there, fall somewhere else, etc.

[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

It's short for "expatriate." I'm not saying it isn't used in the way you described, but that's not the original meaning.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/expatriate

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

That's what it means but some people use it wrong and some people complain about it being used wrong, wrongly

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yea, I always thought an "expat" was someone who was temporarily sent to another country to work for their company there.

[–] Troubleinmind@lemmy.wtf 26 points 1 day ago

Americans don't want to be grouped in with "dirty non-white immigrants" so they consider themselves expats even if they intend the move abroad permanently.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Thats just the expats changing the narrative when people started calling them out on it.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I always understood that you refer to yourself and your fellow countrymen abroad as expats. You use the word immigrant when referring to others.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Yes, this is exactly how I would define it.

I also don't think it imparts a general pro/anti integration with locals (not to say some assholes aren't out there).

If I was thinking of immigrating elsewhere, I'd want to be near a few other people from my country who've been there longer than me, if only to make the transition easier and to get help with any issues specific to people from the same place.

[–] TehBamski@lemmy.world -5 points 1 day ago

That's some old fashion 'us versus them,' kinda thinking.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd love to see countries mark "expat" as an option on forms...

Just as a trap to filter them all out.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

It was literally in the last couple of weeks that I first came across this. I thought it just meant 'a person living in a country in which isn't their home country' regardless of origin, etc. The only thing I thought of it is that it wasn't necessarily permanent whereas immigrant to me had permanence. It's wild that, to me, it seems to have come out of nowhere.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 21 hours ago

I always saw expats as something between immigrants and tourists. They aren't trying to switch countries and they aren't just on vacation. There's plenty of good reasons for this category, like being sent somewhere by your employer. This naturally creates a community of foreigners who aren't necessarily worried about fitting in as a new citizen or permanent resident would be.

But yeah, this idea that Western countries have expats instead of emigrants is weird.