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  • Panel 1: A person with the text "Singular 'they'" written on them smiling with open arms.
  • Panel 2: "Singular 'They'" beaten up by others who said, "Singular they is ungrammatical. It's too confusing," "How can anyone use plural pronouns for singular," and "Every pronoun should only have one purpose."
  • Panel 3: "You" hiding from the mob who was beating "Singular 'They'"
  • Panel 4: "German 'Sie'" hiding with even more fear next to "You"
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[–] Pengui@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What even is "singular they"?? First time hearing of this. Is it some pseudo gender thing promoted by the lgbtqia+ communities?

[–] Sekoia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

... you've not heard of singular they, a pronoun used in english by Shakespear himself, that existed before singular you?

"Oh, somebody forgot their jacket" has existed since forever.

[–] BitSound@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

See my other comments in this thread as well, but using singular they to refer to a specific, known individual was never something that Shakespeare did, and that is the usage that people are up in arms about. Your example uses singular they to refer to an unknown person, which is a usage that's been around for centuries, yes.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We've always used singular "they" to refer to someone of an unknown gender.

[–] BitSound@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Sure, I think we agree?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's using they to refer to a single person. Some people think it's only supposed to be used for a group, but that's completely wrong. It's been used to refer to singular people since at least Shakespeare, if not longer. For example: "if some_one_ tells you they is singular, they are mindlessly consuming right wing media and not considering if it's actually correct."

[–] BitSound@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This misses an important distinction that singular they was never used to refer to a known, specific individual until recently, and was certainly never used by Shakespeare that way.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

It literally was used by Shakespeare in that fashion. If you're going to say something so confidently, at least Google it first.

[–] Afrazzle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's just a generic he or she, I've seen it used for years and never thought it's related to any gender identity issues. Also they is easier to type than he/she. It's similar to how vous can be used for plural or singular. Although maybe it's not a thing in places that don't also speak French.

[–] RiceChex@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe they didnt see your comment? Try asking them again.