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[–] emidio@lemmy.blahaj.zone 195 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I know it's a shipost and this meme is at least 15 years old. But meat, cheese, and white bread (especially the ones in the US with added sugar) were never healthy

[–] realcaseyrollins@kbin.projectsegfau.lt 35 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Since when is meat unhealthy?

[–] Aldrond@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Although high in nutrients, the difficulty in digestion makes it a carciogen. Particularly red meat - bird and fish (pre omnipresent plastics and heavy metals) are relatively healthier.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

That's sorta half the story. The official statement is that consistently eating more than 1.5lbs (500g) of red meat per week "probably" (their word) increases your cancer risk. The real story is that eating more than 50g of processed meat per week dramatically increases your cancer risk. To the extent that processed meat is ranked as a "Group 1" carcinogen.

Flip-side, grains and legumes have been tied to cancer as well. I can't find exactly what category, but they seem fairly convinced they are carcinogenic.

It is, sadly, like the California Cancer joke, where almost everything causes cancer if taken to excess.

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[–] Hextic@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fr meat is the reason we have big brain.

Now if you wanna argue that we should have never left the trees and created civilization then you may have a point.

[–] Cralder@feddit.nu 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The dose is the poison. Meat in the amount we consume today is unhealthy. In the past people didn't eat meat every day or even close to it.

[–] toxic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That doesn’t inherently make it unhealthy. We have the means to not have to eat the animals we slaughter immediately due to refrigeration.

[–] docmark@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The frequency and serving sizes are what make it unhealthy. Coupled with an increasingly sedentary lifestyle and one of the best/easiest decisions you can make to improve your health is to cut back on meat, especially processed meat products. Proccessed meat is definitely, 100% unhealthier than cuts from your local butcher.

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Processed meat is a Group 1 carcinogen. We should be treating it like we treat cigarettes.

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[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's also true of almost any food. Grains and legumes cause liver cancer. Eating too many plain vegetables can lead to nutritional deficiencies. All carbs, even fibers, need to be eaten in moderation. This site suggests no more than 3-4 servings per day.

[–] GeoGio7@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Everything in moderation

[–] psud@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Since the grain industry gained power in the 1940s. They funded much research to say

  1. Meat is hard to digest (when in fact carnivorous animals have the shortest gut; we're omnivores and have a medium gut, we also have the most acidic stomach acid of the mammals which is an adaptation to eating meat)
  2. Grain is the healthiest food (the only type of animal that does well on seeds is birds, they don't have teeth for bread to get stuck between and rot. The ancient Egyptians lived on bread and had the worst dental health)
  3. That humans need a balanced diet of many different things - which we do when we're eating nutritionally poor foods like bread, but many thrive on simple diets of fatty meat (Inuit before they adopted the standard American diet; Buffalo hunting native Americans; modern followers of lion, carnivore, zero carb)

The standard diet as recommended by science (much of which was bought by the wheat peak bodies) has made us fat. Getting fatter is the most unhealthy state, it leads to diabetes, hypertension, bad cholesterol and early death

[–] dx1@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is a common explanation but is unfortunately propaganda in itself.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation

Long story short on what you wrote - meat is a nutritionally rich food option and kind of nutritionally acceptable if your people have been living in the tundra for a few thousand years & have actually managed to genetically accommodate it, since there isn't much else food the further you go north (although it's very much overly simplistic to depict Inuit diets as entirely meat-based). But for modern people, in temperature or tropical regions, it makes no sense at all, plant-based diets give you the best balance of nutrients without extremely high fat and cholesterol content...there's a real anti-scientific hubris going on with people trying to brush away this basic fact.

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[–] habanhero@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Specially processed meat, cheese and bread. In the case of fast food these ingredients are basically "hacked" to make us crave more and consume more. These industries have "food scientists" working on exactly that.

Meat, cheese and bread in their more natural form is definitely healthy when consumed in moderation.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Hacking implies a lot more than simply adding fat and sugar, and that's all you gotta do.

I've seen several threads where chefs confess that all they do to make their dish(s) popular is load it down with butter and sugar.

Wouldst thou like the taste of butter, wouldst thou like to live deliciously?

In related news, this American finally figured out why Europeans find our bread sickening sweet, why I love sourdough and why it's called "sour". You're only gonna need one guess.

[–] habanhero@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hacking implies a lot more than simply adding fat and sugar, and that's all you gotta do.

In principle yes, but in reality it extends much farther than that and there is a whole industry built around this.

For example, the "Subway Sandwich smell" is something desired but not easily replicable, and is a guarded secrecy that corporate is pretty shush-shush about. It not only accentuates the flavor but can get people into the shop from blocks away.

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[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I’ve seen several threads where chefs confess that all they do to make their dish(s) popular is load it down with butter and sugar.

Not "confessed". That's a part of what they teach in culinary school. Restaurants strive for increased flavor, and the most effective flavor profiles are sweet and umami. Sugar and butter (or meat or MSG etc).

But yeah, we definitely use more sugar (instead of, or as well as umami) in America. However, there's a lot of that going on in Japanese and Chinese (real, as in eating in China) cooking as well. When I was in China, everything that wasn't meat was shockingly carb-loaded. These weird (yummy) sweet cheese breads I swore had simple syrup slathered all over them with what tasted almost like American Cheese.

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