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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If the only reason you voted for trump as a form of ‘punishment’ towards dems, then yea that is on the voters. You should be voting for what helps you. Not to be a petty idiot.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So the action plan is what? Cull the voters? Breed better voters?

The first job of a politician is to reach and convince voters. Harris had a billion dollars and didn't do it. Yes, the voters made bad choices, but blaming the voters is not a way forward. There is no escaping that we have to figure out what Harris could have done better. More precisely, shitlibs need to figure it out because progressives already know and have been screaming it from the rooftops for decades.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“Jill made bad choices. I blame Bob because he didn’t convince Jill to make a good choice.”

This is such circular fucking reasoning. Apparently it’s literally impossible for a voter to make a stupid decision, because all blame will circle back to the candidate for “Not being convincing enough”.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Here is what you are missing. The point of finding fault is to do better next time. Anything else is just bitching. Yes, the voters got it wrong. Next cycle we will have the same voters and a different candidate. Pretending Harris was a good candidate just invites the same outcome.

Maybe you think the voters are just unreachable. I think that's nonsense.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I agree; and I personally believe that the fault is with all the voters. All the voters need to do better next time.

There is potential to put yourself in an unmovable situation when you deny the capacity for individuals to find fault in, and correct, themselves. When they're all "special snowflakes incapable of fault, for whom the horrible and evil politicians must serve to attain their vote" you may set yourself up for either a failing relationship, or lies. Contrary to what one might expect, saying "I've heard the opinions of others, and I think I was wrong about X" is not a social death sentence. I've said it online before, and others need to be ready to do the same.

Maybe JFK expressed that thought better than I can.

[–] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

People vote for single issues all the time. Sometimes its abortions, the economy, etc. But God forbid people seem disgusted at rewarding genocide and voting for harris. People saw no other option other than to either punish them by voting for the other, 3rd party or not voting at all. I dont blame them.