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I was listening to a podcast and the host just factually read out the things Trump has been convicted for and has been found to have done throughout the years. It's insane! Enough shitbaggery to take down an 18th century European monarch, but Trump somehow just gets a pass on all of it, wtf?! Has this guy made a pact with Satan or what?
He stole money from cancer kids!! How does anyone politically survive that??
It's been a long game to get to this point, but the conservatives I know are completely isolated from reality at this point. They ONLY watch X and newsmax...Fox is too liberal for them these days.
All that douchbaggery has been scrubbed away in a very effective and sophisticated social engineering campaign over the last decade or so.
The cult leader can do no wrong.
...so it's a good thing my grandparents only watch Fox News and haven't moved into further bullshit? What a fun world to be living in now.
Yes, we lost the Global Digital Propaganda Wars
This is why you lost. The entire media complex bombards me with your messages every day. On all platforms, through most institutions. I can't throw a rock without hitting an opposing view, one opposing view.
If I disagree or question that view, I get banned. I'm not even the least bit conservative and I've had enough of it. Entertainment that "isn't for me", news that drowns out the real issues on trump with bleating about him being a rapist felon nazi.. the list goes on and on. It's one huge firehose of propaganda and I've simply tuned out.
You own the psyop machine and then cry about how everyone else isn't living in "reality". I had thought this would have been a wake up call for self-absorbed leftists but it's looking more and more like you are going to keep doubling down. You talk about a "cult" and yet many say the same thing about you. No republicans killed themselves over trump losing.
In your mind what is a "real" issue about Trump that hasn't been covered? I'm curious what criticism you think has been lost here. The man has had almost every detail of himself, his circle, and his platform dissected constantly for the last forever it seems like.
Literally what worked and what didn't. Everything is tainted with putler orange man bad. His coverage is 98% negative. The people dissecting him have an axe to grind and are hard to take seriously.
That's not an answer at all.
It is an answer. The legitimate things trump does wrong are drowned in the sea of biased reporting. Even now with the tariff talk. These false stories of companies skipping christmas bonuses and crying wolf. What happens when they really do put a tariff on something they shouldn't. That's going to be a blip and not be remembered. What if it does spur domestic manufacturing of something, won't be covered either. You end up in a situation where people just tune in or tune out based on their bias and end up completely uninformed at both ends.
Uh...those aren't false. They've been cross checked with AP. Also, look at the trends from his first presidency and they follow. It's not a surprise, at all.
Because no one will notice when all those jobs are minimum wage, no protections, shit jobs. For example...the reason there's so many Tech layoffs right now isn't the economy. It's because they figured out they can fire an FTE and rehire them on contract for 20-50k cheaper due to no benefits. Trump exempted them from overtime. He's going to do that to factory workers as well.
And you can't manufacture anything if you don't have the materials to build. Check out what happened in Michigan with Foxconn.
Trump bankrupted a casino...it's a business model where people walk in and hand you money. It's damn near impossible to lose money in that model. But he did it somehow.
I asked what you thought a legitimate criticism (that wasn't presented enough by media) was of Trump and you essentially just hand waved. If this is such a problem in your eyes surely you wouldn't need to use Google or soul-seek to find an example.
Do you think him being convicted of sexual abuse was just "noise" that drowned out the actual problems? Is that something not worth informing voters about? I'm confused where you're trying to draw the line here. Is the character of a candidate not to be scrutinized? Shouldn't we try to be sure that a candidate will do the right thing even when it isn't reported on?
liberals are leftists...?
where do I start...?
We all lost, dumbass. You're not messaging us from another planet, are ya?
PS: Except for maybe Musk, etc. Or maybe they just don't know it yet.
There you go assuming everyone is a progressive again. Reality has a "liberal" bias when you surround yourself in an echo chamber.
Humans are herd animals. The need to keep the herd going is a instinctual thing. The conservative view is very much self centered. It goes against our nature as a species.
Then we are certainly wired differently. I have no need to keep the "herd" going or to do what others demand beyond the practical. There is probably a collectivist vs individualist argument here too and the voluntary and involuntary aspects of cooperation herein.
But you need the herd to keep you going.
He didn't.
Summary of evidence and concerns: Trump is a Russian asset working for Putin (see book American Kompromat by journalist Craig Unger or Active Measures documentary with Hillary Clinton(1), sources below). Elon and Trump are working together (2). They both have substantial ties to Epstein (3) (4) (5) (6). Trump stole election software in 2020 (7). Similarly, Elon Musk has been in contact with Russia for the last 2 years (8). This includes during the Ukraine War when Russia began using Starlink (9) while it was claimed they got them third party and not from Musk himself; however now appears imo to show Elon is a doublecrosser.
Starlink, Elon's satellite company, was installed in some voting machines across the country (10) and may have interfered with vote tabulation. Voting machines were found to be connected to the internet (11). An independent report on voting machines concluded that tabulation tampering was possible with current voting machines, so hand counts are vital (12). In September, Politico had an investigation finding Russian malware on a state voter registration database (13). Also, there were malicious fake texts from fake DNC organizations, connected to Elon who donated to them, that were fishing voter info (14).
Elon had results of election on an app 4 hours before official counts had it (15), per Joe Rogan podcast in a discussion to Theo Von. Earlier this year, Tana Monogeau, released info that she'd been offered millions of dollars to endorse the Trump campaign and that she knew others had taken the deal (16).
They will release more info admitting their fraud because they are a Russian asset trying to start a civil war here (speculation). They want us to be confused about sources and who to trust and what's real, they want to release the truth to anger us and lies to anger us. Trump has refused to write an ethics statement for transition of power saying he will transition peacefully (17). JD Vance has also told the EU that unless they allow X unfettered access to the EU (to spread propaganda), they will withdraw the US from NATO (18) - which will prompt wars or takeover either way and weakens Germany, who is entering an election since their government couldn't agree on Ukraine budget. A Russian space chief said Elon Musk’s plan to bomb Mars is a cover to put nuclear weapons in space (19).
Also speculation, are reports of widespread ballot rejection, especially for signatures. There are articles claiming already that it is because GenZ does not know cursive (20) - except the signature simply must match your driver's license. It's not a cursive writing test. Avocado toast but with gen z voting fraud. We do not yet have the ballot rejection rates but typically they are around 1% to 1.5% (21).
Crypto is how right wing conservatism got funded here. It's why it took off- it was basically UBI for those men, funded by foreign intelligence for this purpose along with other uses for crypto like dark money, drugs, trafficking, etc (22)(23). The least informed people we knew were investing in crypto when it was starting, mining bitcoins. They couldn't tell you what a stock or tariff is, yet they were making bank in crypto trading. Crypto trading, especially memecoins, appears to be an obvious scam to most because it's the stock market without ownership. So why were these 4chan pedophiles and nazis doing so well? Because it was just meant to give them money the whole time. And crypto is great for transferring money internationally from shady organizations to shady people (24). Far right catchphrases and meme campaigns dispersed online including X, give out the key words/catchphrases for the new coin that isn't a scam and will disperse money. People who are deep in these groups' internet algorithms get these keywords first and normal outsiders will either not notice or will stay away. No normal person wants a coin that references Hitler if they are just scrolling memecoins.
Once the government has been taken over, they can force their memecoin as the national currency and then rug pull, which is also what Musk is likely going to do to Tesla at the same time. The entire point is to bankrupt America for Putin and his cartoon villain cohorts. Musk is already saying he wants to withdraw from US currency due to national debt (Trump added most of the national debt) (25).
If you're in Germany, take note. They are coming for you next, your election is soon.
News Links
(1) https://youtu.be/5umiMThrlsA
(2) https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/elon-musk-weighing-trump-staffing-decisions-sources/story?id=115730434
(3) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/03/trump-infiltrate-voting-machines-georgia-2020.html
(4) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html
(5) https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfriend-dated-kimbal-musk-brother-of-tesla-founder-elon-musk-2020-1
(6) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fire-and-fury-the-podcast/id1750757108
(7) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-tapes
(8) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-to-know-about-elon-musks-reported-phone-calls-with-putin-and-why-it-matters
(9) https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-using-thousands-spacex-starlink-terminals-ukraine-wsj-says-2024-02-15/
(10) https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/comments/1gnxqmw/elon_musks_company_starlink_praised_by_tulare/
(11) www.nbcnews.com/news/ncna1112436
(12) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/inside-georgias-effort-to-secure-voting-machines-as-experts-raise-concerns
(13) https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615
(14) https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/10/pro-trump-dark-money-network-tied-to-elon-musk-behind-fake-pro-harris-campaign-scheme/
(15) https://grabien.com/story.php?id=499986
(16) https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/tana-mongeau-paid-political-endorsement
(17) https://apnews.com/article/trump-transition-planning-ca3a6be50d147b04b6498184e5599b1e
(18) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-elon-musk-x-twitter-donald-trump-b2614525.html
(19) https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/499968-russian-space-chief-elon-musks-plan-to-bomb-mars-is-a-cover-to-put/
(20) https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-voters-struggle-signatures-cast-mail-ballot-problems-2024-11
(21) https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_rejected_ballots
(22) https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/far-right-extremists-raise-millions-cryptocurrency-bitcoin/
(23) https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/opinion/crypto-cryptocurrency-money-conspiracy.html
(24) https://apnews.com/article/cryptocurrency-coronavirus-pandemic-technology-business-europe-f7f754fc2c68b0eb0d712239323f26c3
(25) https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/11/10/its-unsustainable-tesla-ceo-elon-musk-issues-us-serious-bankruptcy-warning-amid-huge-bitcoin-and-dogecoin-price-surge/
Personal Testimony from the dickbags themselves:
youtube.com/live/HBPNfAUPz08?si=PZQa_D_wbN9VoA6y
In the first minute:
"Your votes are rigged. We can win New Mexico."
"If you can watch your vote counter, if we can bring God down from heaven (he's referencing Starlink), we can win this, win California, win a lot of states."
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/if-trump-loses-im-fcked-elon-musk-in-interview-with-tucker-carlson/articleshow/114024254.cms
“If [Trump] loses, I’m f*cked… How long do you think my prison sentence is going to be?”
Why does Elon think he would go to prison though? For what crime?
youtu.be/Zmc0EN8XAY8?si=5u_mJNte37r4JmUb
Trump:"Our little secret is having a big impact"
If Trump was so sure the election was rigged and they were going to turnover every state including California, then why hasn't he asked for a recount in all the states with representatives that didn't get elected that he thought would be? Shouldn't he be suing for recounts? He did it last time. Why doesn't he want an investigation this time?
#AssetForfeitureTrumpMusk
If they get locked into years of asset forfeiture from layers and layers of state and municipal claims, we may be able to stop them
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarlinkEngineering/comments/1gho7ak/is_this_a_glitch_a_large_number_of_starlink/
He survived because America is the country of incarceration and heavy punishment, and he recieved none of that. Therefore what he has done was apparently not that bad.
I'd argue that this is an example of 2 tier justice a d should make people mad as hell, but here we are.
Conservatives all are about exceptionalism
This is exactly why people are trying to kill him. If the system refuses to incapacitate him, the people will find a way.
The people who have tried so far seem to be right wingers more interested in making a name for themselves than any ideological motive.
Those of us who already have dancing shoes for whenever his arteries finally finish the job aren't exactly looking forward to making him a martyr for President Vance to use either.
Well, we have a pandemic and 2 growing wars, so if a major famine occurs next, definitely a maybe
With all the tariffs coming and the immigrant farm laborers getting deported, it just might!
Propaganda and dumb people listening to only what dumb media has to say.
Oh I have my own independent sources
"Grandpa, the Babylon Bee is not a reliable news source."
I sometimes feel like Ouija board is a better source than many, nowadays
...with Russian cash and idiots that believe in him.